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Post by Josh on Feb 2, 2010 21:00:50 GMT -8
Yay free will!!!!
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Post by rbbailey on Feb 2, 2010 23:28:16 GMT -8
I think many of my theories are actually coming true, I just wonder if the writers will blow it all away and leave nothing but loose ends at the end of the season.
Watch Sayid; if John is Natural Law reborn as Evil, Sayid will be man's evil deeds reborn as Jacob.
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Post by Kirby on Feb 3, 2010 9:29:25 GMT -8
Deeper magic from before the dawn of time.
"It means that though the Witch knew the Deep Magic, there is a magic deeper still which she did not know. Her knowledge goes back only to the dawn of time. But if she could have looked a little further back, into the stillness and the darkness before Time dawned, she would have read there a different incantation. She would have known that when a willing victim who had committed no treachery was killed in a traitor's stead, the Table would crack, and Death itself would start working backwards..."
The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe
C.S. Lewis
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Post by moritz on Feb 3, 2010 14:40:31 GMT -8
stoked! ;D
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Post by Josh on Feb 3, 2010 16:09:20 GMT -8
Very apropos quote, kirbstomp.
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Post by Josh on Feb 4, 2010 20:19:00 GMT -8
So: theories on how Season 6 will play out?
Perhaps it's obvious, but I think it's pretty clear that the alterna-reality cast that made it back to LA will be drawn together in some new way- basically a fate compensating for free will motif.
As to those on the island, does the fact that the blast moved them back to the present time mean that they all died in the 70s? If so, how can they even be on the island in the present?
Ben- what are you saying with your theory on Sayid's rebirth? What do you expect he will be like?
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Post by michelle on Feb 4, 2010 21:17:48 GMT -8
No, I don't think the bomb worked the way they thought it would. I think the only thing the bomb did was set the space/time continuum back to how it was supposed to be. I think the plane crashed and that the plane not crashing is a dream or something. There were several things that I noticed about the plane ride that lead me to believe it was not the actual flight. 1) Shannon, Boone's sister, crashed on the island, but was not on this plane. 2) Desmond was on the plane even though he was already on the island when the plane crashed. 3) Hurley says on the plane that he has the best luck. He always thought he had the worst luck because of things like the meteor crashing into the chicken place. So pre-crash Hurley would not have thought he had great luck. 4) With the exception of Bernard, we didn't see the people from the back of the plane? Where was Mr. Eko, Libby, etc.? 5) Where were Michael and Walt? 6) This is probably my strongest reason for why I think the flight was not real. Did you notice the size of the coach seats? For an international flight? COME ON!!  If the bomb did keep the hatch from being needed, then it would have had to change a LOT of the past in order for all of these things to make sense. |
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Post by Josh on Feb 4, 2010 21:24:05 GMT -8
Seems like the writers (just my impression so far) wouldn't settle for a "dream sequence" loophole, though (kind of a cheap trick)
If it was, who's dream would it be?
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Post by Josh on Feb 4, 2010 21:26:40 GMT -8
Esau stole his birthright back. kirbstomp- so you see a jacob/ esau motif, here? other than the name jacob, what's the connection? |
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Post by michelle on Feb 4, 2010 21:41:19 GMT -8
Seems like the writers (just my impression so far) wouldn't settle for a "dream sequence" loophole, though (kind of a cheap trick) If it was, who's dream would it be? I know, the dream thing does seem a little hokey. But I'm not sure how those other things can be explained. I just know I don't think it is the original flight. Did anyone else catch that when Jack, Kate, etc. got to the temple and the woman said that she knew who they were that she said, "they were on the first flight, Oceanic flight 815."? I wonder if it has something to do with reincarnation (Desmond is always saying, "see you in another life, brotha" then he shows up on the plane and Jack thinks he recognized him?), though I'm not sure how to make that fit everything. Also, let's say the nuke worked and that made the plane not crash. Why would the island be at the bottom of the ocean? Atlantis or something similar? Frankly, I thought Lost was better when it was about surviving on the island with the threat of "the Others". I'm getting bored with it. I know it doesn't sound like it, but I am. Maybe I'm just tired of waiting. It's been 6 long years!! |
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Post by michelle on Feb 4, 2010 22:07:33 GMT -8
Esau stole his birthright back. kirbstomp- so you see a jacob/ esau motif, here? other than the name jacob, what's the connection? I think Jacob and the other guy are twin's. From early on in lost there has been a lot of "twin" talk. There was even a book published for Losties called "The Bad Twin". (I have it if anyone wants to read it). Here's a little blurb from Wikipedia about Atlantis which is one of my theories). I'll highlight a few things I think are key. "In Plato's myth, Poseidon fell in love with Cleito, the daughter of Evenor and Leucippe, who bore him five pairs of male twins. The eldest of these, Atlas (Jacob??), was made rightful king of the entire island and the ocean (called the Atlantic Ocean in his honor), and was given the mountain of his birth and the surrounding area as his fiefdom. Atlas's twin Gadeirus, or Eumelus in Greek, was given the extremity of the island towards the Pillars of Hercules (kind of like the statue??)." Evil Locke said that he "wants to go home". Perhaps he has been banned from some place? If he is satan, he has been banned from heaven. Honestly, I think it's a crazy mixture of many things. Atlantis, free will -v- predestination, utopian society, good -v- evil, time travel. I think they are throwing everything at us. Questions: 1) Is Charles Widmore still trying to get to the island? 2) Is what's her name still experimenting with time travel? |
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Post by rbbailey on Feb 5, 2010 8:10:42 GMT -8
I think you have it pretty good here. Lost is obviously not Biblical, but it is obviously taking Biblical themes and characters. It also takes from mythology and all kinds of philosophies. I have always had the sense that the island is a magnet (literally) for world views to go and get mashed up together.
The current dual story lines seems to me like it is either a "what would have been" that will go on to prove that fate will play itself out anyway -- all the characters meet and they all change in all the same ways they did on the island. Or, it is a parallel string theory universe that is going on at the same time now.
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Post by Kirby on Feb 5, 2010 8:25:54 GMT -8
I have wondered if the alterna-reality folks now in LA are redemptive works still in progress, dependant on choices made now on the island? I have long thought that this was the reason they were cast together...because Jacob had a deep desire to redeem them all, and perhaps the Free Will thing changes the path to redemption, but the redemption is there no matter what choices the Losties make. After all, "There is only one end, anything else that happens is progress..."
What about the Egyptian imagery? One co-worker passed me this note after watching Tivo-ed episode on Wednesday night:
Jacob=Horus=Sayid
"Nemesis"=Set=Locke
Richard=Osiris
I think whatever imagery (Egyptian, Biblical, other myth) being used is irrelevant, rather that it is a mash-up to represent light vs. dark.
Josh, I just referred to Esau because it seems that "Smokie" is Jacob's brother, and that there is some serious jealousy going on. We don't really know why he wants Jacob dead, he is upset about something.
Oh, and Michelle:
Jack and Desmond met before the island. Remember? In season 2 or 3, on the stadium steps they were both running.
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Post by Josh on Feb 5, 2010 13:55:15 GMT -8
Definitely the best line.
I thought Horace was Horus!!! ;D
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Post by Josh on Feb 5, 2010 13:58:31 GMT -8
Regarding Desmond- why is it that Jack remembers him but he doesn't remember Jack?
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Post by michelle on Feb 5, 2010 15:48:20 GMT -8
Oh, and Michelle: Jack and Desmond met before the island. Remember? In season 2 or 3, on the stadium steps they were both running. Yes I remember. My point was that Oceanic flight we saw on the first episode this season can't be the same one that crashed because Desmond was never on the Oceanic 815 flight. So the nuke must have done more than just keep the plane from crashing. It changed history. Even if we saw Jack and Desmond meet on the steps of the stadium, we don't know that in this new course of history if that is still true. Because remember, Oceanic flight 815 had Boone's sister on it and she was not on this flight. So many things had to change. As I was debriefing with a couple of friends I had the thought that the reason Hurley is now lucky is because the 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 numbers were never used in the hatch so the numbers were never unlucky. So Hurley's luck changed becuase the pushing of the button never had to happen. |
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Post by christopher on Feb 5, 2010 18:33:59 GMT -8
Very interesting theory. However, it makes me wonder how he ever won the lottery to begin with since he would have never have gotten them from the guy in the looney bin. Man, this time travel thing always twists my brain in knots. I don't know how anyone can reconcile it...I mean how does Faraday die before he's born  |
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