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Post by Josh on May 12, 2010 11:54:07 GMT -8
rbbailey wrote:
How do we know this? My assumption was that Jacob's bro turning into smokie, not that the smokie was something else.
Yeah, Romulus and Remus, Pandora, Jacob and Esau, Cain and Abel, the list goes on, huh?
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Post by Josh on May 12, 2010 11:59:27 GMT -8
I still don't know if I see it. I mean, other than the name Jacob, and twin brothers, what else you got? True, there didn't end up being as much of a parallel as I thought when they were first being born. And probably the biggest dissimilarity is that Jacob was born first. So my big question is who is the "adoptive" mother? Are they going to explain her origins? The whole mythology seems to have taken a decidedly Mormon direction with the endless retrogressions of "deity" type figures, and the whole Jesus/ Satan brother thing. On another note, did anyone notice this (if not go back and check it out and tell me what you think): On the scenes were adult human smokie had extended talking scenes was it apparent to you that the directors purposefully had the actor mimic John Locke's (Terry O'Quinn's) mannerisms and style of speech? It was tripping me out subconsciously at first until I noticed it overtly. I'm pretty sure it was intentional. Oh, and one more thing: the whole thing about their mom thwarting Smokie's efforts to tap into the "energy" reminded me of the Flood, Tower of Babel, and Sodom/Gommorah stories from the OT, where God must go to extreme lengths to quell the advance and spread of evil among humanity. |
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Post by Margot on May 12, 2010 19:18:00 GMT -8
[On the scenes were adult human smokie had extended talking scenes was it apparent to you that the directors purposefully had the actor mimic John Locke's (Terry O'Quinn's) mannerisms and style of speech? It was tripping me out subconsciously at first until I noticed it overtly. I'm pretty sure it was intentional. yup! |
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Post by Margot on May 12, 2010 19:23:23 GMT -8
rbbailey wrote: How do we know this? My assumption was that Jacob's bro turning into smokie, not that the smokie was something else. I agree with Josh here. Also, upon later reflection did anyone else think the idea of hooking The Bright Light up with a wheel was a little weird?? I don't see why that would be a logical progression and 'Lil Smokie sure didn't shed any light on the situation (no pun intended.) |
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Post by Kirby on May 12, 2010 19:33:22 GMT -8
OK, here's how I see it: "The Light" is either filtered or enhanced (or some other interaction) by water. (The healing spring in the Temple, the effect the cave had on He-that-has-no-name in the stream, but not the excavation) I assumed that the wheel would control a water channeling system that controlled the flow and thereby intensity of the power of "The Light". Remember that later, at the Orchid, the place is frozen, which might manipulate the water and "The Light" in the best way (allowing one to travel to Tunisia, say.)
As far as "Light":
"Let there be Light."
"The Light of the World."
"...a light unto my path."
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Post by rbbailey on May 12, 2010 20:10:42 GMT -8
The reason I say that Smokie was not him is because his body was left, and so was Locke's.
Is he both Locke and Jacob's brother? Or is it some entity that is taking the form of each of them in turn?
I see it as the body sacrificed and thrown down the river is the vehicle needed for the Smokie to emerge.
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Post by michelle on May 13, 2010 15:05:26 GMT -8
I see it as the body sacrificed and thrown down the river is the vehicle needed for the Smokie to emerge. I agree. My biggest question is, what is the light?? Everybody has some, but everyone wants more. Is the light representative of knowledge? This episode made me think of the fall. The cave w/ the light was Eden; the most beautiful, warm light you will ever feel. But don't go near it. The light was like the forbidden tree or the tree of knowledge. When bro #2 went in, out comes evil, like when Adam and Even partook of the fruit, sin was introduced to the world and they were separated from God. So now there has to be a sacrifice (Desmond???) to restore good? Then of course you have "Adam and Eve" lying in the cave.  At this point, I don't really care about having questions answered. I just want to know if my theories are close. ;D |
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Post by Josh on May 13, 2010 15:50:40 GMT -8
But why then did smokie refer to his experience with his mother when talking to Richard (I think?) a couple of episodes ago?
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Post by Kirby on May 14, 2010 8:30:00 GMT -8
I think that smokie has the essence of the Brother, or the soul. Really, he is bodyless. The bodies we see (Brother, Locke, Christian, etc.) are deceptions. But it seems he can only take on teh form of one who has died.
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Post by michelle on May 19, 2010 6:13:19 GMT -8
I have only one thing to say about Lost last night. I will shock those that know me well. What the crap is the deal with Kate being crossed off the wall because she "became a mother" when Sawyer has been a father all along?  ? Helloooooo, double standard.... |
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Post by rbbailey on May 19, 2010 11:01:54 GMT -8
I think there is a difference between having a kid and being a father/mother.
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Post by Josh on May 19, 2010 16:42:33 GMT -8
Needless to say, the Jacob-Jesus motif has been muted substantially. However, I thought that the conversation he had with the candidates had numerous Christian overtones.
When Sawyer expressed anger that Jacob was the cause of their suffering, I couldn't help but see a version of the "why does God allow evil and suffering/ is God the author of evil?" question. And I thought his response, that he was "responsible" for their suffering and for smokie, even though he didn't force anyone's hand was very apropros to that philosophical discussion.
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Post by Josh on May 19, 2010 18:07:07 GMT -8
Is anyone else tired of Ben's flip-flopping?
And was Whidmore telling the truth when he said that Jacob appeared to him?
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Post by Margot on May 19, 2010 19:34:21 GMT -8
I'm afraid I am losing patience with this. The new reveals just seem to be old reveals with a few addendums to prop them up. Did you find a lot new last night? I found a couple of small things, but otherwise it was disappointing. (Or, who knows, maybe it's just that we are SO far ahead of the script in figuring this out that everything else seems anti-climactic!) As for Ben, flip-flopping IS his character, don't you think? I have always been hoping Ben would be the caretaker. I thought it might happen in some abrupt shocking reversal at the end--but now I don't think there's going to be much new in the finale---just a wrap of SOME of the loose ends. Oh well, it will make for a good "Unanswered Questions" thread for when all is said and done. Sigh!
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Post by michelle on May 19, 2010 19:57:29 GMT -8
Is anyone else tired of Ben's flip-flopping? I don't think Ben is flip-flopping. I think Ben is manipulating Smokie right now. Watch for Ben to redeem himself by sacrificing himself to get rid of Smokie once and for all. |
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Post by Josh on May 19, 2010 20:01:06 GMT -8
What about the killing of Whidmore?
BTW, I thought Ben couldn't kill Whidmore?
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Post by moritz on May 20, 2010 1:12:13 GMT -8
What about the killing of Whidmore? BTW, I thought Ben couldn't kill Whidmore? Well, we don't know the rules. Ben thought Alex couldn't be killed and that Widmore, according to the rules, couldn't return to the island. The fact that Widmore returned means the rules have changed. Hence, Ben could kill him. I guess that's my answer. Not very satisfactory, is it? Helloooooo, double standard.... What I found more troubling in that very scene was that Jacob said he pulled none of them out of a happy existence. We know, that Jacob already started to play a part in some of their lives when they were children. Long before Kate killed her father, for instance. Look at Hugo: Sure, he wasn't happy when he came to the island, but the only reason he was wretched was because of the curse of his lottery win - the island's (or even Jacob's) curse. A self fulfilling prophecy. I think it's unwarranted to say: "none of you was happy so I was entitled to drag you into this misery and have most of you killed." And it's hypocritical to say: "I want you to have what I never had - a choice" when none of them was given the choice to crash on this island to begin with... The show is full of flaws and inconsistencies, but who expected something else? They opened so many storylines and tracks, I already sensed pretty early it would be impossible to bring all of the threads together in a satisfactory fashion. Richard's end was as disappointing as his entire story. I'm glad they seem to have shifted from the simple black and white pure good vs pure evil, though. Jacob isn't Jesus, quite the contrary, he is the ill-tempered murderer of his brother. And he is responsible for the release of the smoke monster. Thus far, we had always thought that Jacob knows everything, but now we have seen him absolutely clueless. He gave his stepmother a leap of faith without knowing any answers. How do we know he knows the answers by now? How do we know he isn't like Desmond and Locke typing in the magic numbers over and over again always in good faith that there is some positive purpose? Jacob's stepmother wasn't exactly someone I'd label trustworthy, after all. She was a murderer, and she stole the twins. She lied to the boys that there was nothing behind the ocean. It seemed like she knew what she was doing, but we've been made to believe several times that someone knows what he's doing when he's actually clueless. The next episode is going to be the last, right? Perhaps Smokie is right: perhaps Desmond is going to help him destroy the island but not only the island, but the entire string of reality it finds itself in. That's probably the only way all those dead people we'd like to see living (like the Kwons or the real John Locke) can live: by making the alternate reality the real reality. |
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? Helloooooo, double standard....