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Post by ben on Nov 2, 2009 16:18:07 GMT -8
My response was made because a Christian woman was saying something about another Christian woman which was not true. I believe we in the Body of Christ have a unique responsibility to one another. When I read the post, it did not seem like a joke to me.
Can we as Christians use the excuse that because Palin is in the political arena, it's all okay? Let the world do it their way. We as Christians should be different. If someone had did that to a non-Christian political figure, I would still be against it.
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Post by Kirby on Nov 2, 2009 17:06:43 GMT -8
"Making fun" in order to hurt someone, Christian or not, I agree would be wrong. But a joke? Especially about someone who has set themselves up to be ribbed? I see nothing wrong with that. In this case, (how I read it anyway) was Margot sending an inside joke (a quote from a satirical SNL skit) about Palin, and more importantly in this context, Bono, to Josh, who is a Bono fan.
Jesus had a sense of humor too. Make what you will of this commentary:
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Post by ben on Nov 2, 2009 17:24:48 GMT -8
I do not watch SNL because I'm in dream land by that time. I'll leave your interpretation of scripture in your hands. I do not agree that when Nathanael said "can anything good come of Nazareth" he meant it as a joke. I think he was dead serious. I thought the story of the blind man in John 9 was funny especially his response to his questioners.
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Post by Kirby on Nov 2, 2009 17:46:04 GMT -8
It may be that he was serious, but I personally doubt it. As I said earlier, in this media age it is hard to tell if someone is serious or not. The writers of the Bible did not use emoticons or write LOL after anything.
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Post by robin on Nov 2, 2009 18:50:03 GMT -8
I'm trying to understand how it is that just because someone decides to serve as a public official, it is then justified to abuse their reputation. Is there anything remotely Christian about that?
I have been a outspoken critic of the President but so far as I know I have never lied about him, or something he said. Nor have I attempted to let the debate go beyond the political disagreements that I have, and my concerns with his ability to lead. If I were to let my disagreements lead me to spread false rumors about things he has said, then I should be admonished for doing so and discredited.
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Post by sarah on Nov 2, 2009 19:22:55 GMT -8
Hey all, just reading through this discussion and I am a bit concerned about our resident Christian woman. Intentional or not some of the comments here have come across a bit harsh. Remember that we rebuke one another in kindness, with gentleness and most importantly motivated out of love. In our rush to defend one Christian, let's not flatten another!  |
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Post by Kirby on Nov 2, 2009 19:37:01 GMT -8
Robin, my point is that I'm not abusing their reputation if I'm making a joke. Example: "Robin is stupid" That would be a put down, it's not funny, and meant to demean you and do you harm, it could abuse your reputation. "Robin is so stupid that he would choke on pureed bananas" Joke! (OK not very funny, but I hope you get the point) I am not calling you stupid, I am trying to get people to laugh. Like the writers and performers on SNL...they get paid to make people laugh. If you don't think they are funny, then that's fine, others do. The "Bono is King of Ireland" comment was a quote from a skit parodying Sarah Palin. It was meant to be funny, not to tarnish her reputation. Sarah Palin later made an appearance on SNL, she seemed to have a sense of humor about it. If someone was quoting that line as fact, then yes, they would be spreading false rumors, and that person would be damaging. I know people do that (Michael Moore, anyone?) but we need to differentiate between truth and satire. I in no way think Robin is stupid. In fact I think the extreme opposite is true, but, he does have trouble with pureed bananas, so I've heard.  |
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Post by Kirby on Nov 2, 2009 19:54:14 GMT -8
oh, and when I said:
I did not mean to imply Margot is an idiot, because I "saw" her tongue in her cheek and got the reference to the SNL joke. Sorry, Margot, if I inadvertantly called you an idiot. That was not worded as I would have liked.
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Post by robin on Nov 2, 2009 20:42:28 GMT -8
Robin, my point is that I'm not abusing their reputation if I'm making a joke. Example: "Robin is stupid" That would be a put down, it's not funny, and meant to demean you and do you harm, it could abuse your reputation. "Robin is so stupid that he would choke on pureed bananas" Joke! (OK not very funny, but I hope you get the point) I am not calling you stupid, I am trying to get people to laugh. Like the writers and performers on SNL...they get paid to make people laugh. If you don't think they are funny, then that's fine, others do. The "Bono is King of Ireland" comment was a quote from a skit parodying Sarah Palin. It was meant to be funny, not to tarnish her reputation. Sarah Palin later made an appearance on SNL, she seemed to have a sense of humor about it. If someone was quoting that line as fact, then yes, they would be spreading false rumors, and that person would be damaging. I know people do that (Michael Moore, anyone?) but we need to differentiate between truth and satire. I in no way think Robin is stupid. In fact I think the extreme opposite is true, but, he does have trouble with pureed bananas, so I've heard. That kind of joking is the kind the we generally see from insecure bullies. SNL comedians are just tha,t and I think it is unwise to encourage their bad behavior. Some of the most vial and disgusting comedy comes from SNL, and it is generally intended to take unfair shots at those who don't agree with the political persuasions of those on the show. I stopped watching years ago when Sandler, Farly, Spade left. By the way, although I have never had a pureed banana, I'm certain that I would have troubles choking it down. I sure that the texture would be enough for me to reject it alone. I can't even eat soggy cereal with gagging. ;D |
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Post by Josh on Nov 2, 2009 20:47:01 GMT -8
An aside:
Whether or not Nathaniel was joking earlier, Jesus is clearly joking here.
Jesus is using some good sarcasm about the stereotypes of his own people.
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Post by robin on Nov 2, 2009 20:47:02 GMT -8
Hey all, just reading through this discussion and I am a bit concerned about our resident Christian woman. Intentional or not some of the comments here have come across a bit harsh. Remember that we rebuke one another in kindness, with gentleness and most importantly motivated out of love. In our rush to defend one Christian, let's not flatten another! I would strongly defend any Christian sister against unfair treatment, including anyone on these forums. We must be able to talk like a family here, and if we can do that and still love each other the way family members do we will all be better for it. IMO. I do respect and understand your concern, Sarah. Robin |
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Post by Josh on Nov 2, 2009 20:47:58 GMT -8
Margot or Sarah Palin??? |
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Post by ben on Nov 2, 2009 20:54:35 GMT -8
Hey Josh I have the NKJV and instead of the word guile, the word deceit is used. I believe Jesus was calling Nathaniel an honest man and not necessarily using sacarsm or joking.
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Post by Kirby on Nov 2, 2009 20:58:02 GMT -8
I can see your point, but recipients of comments can be insecure too. I was bullied in grade school, but had I been more secure in myself, I would have got along a lot better with it. Have you ever seen a roast? Granted, the roastee generally knows it is going to happen and knows he or she is going to be made fun of, but usually a good time is had by all. I don't think it is constructive to insult others, but I just see a difference between insulting and joking. It may be a fine line, but a line is there. SNL is a mtter of taste, I suppose. I think their political satire as of late has been pretty balanced--they joked equally about Obama, Biden, McCain, a lot about Palin (but, like I said, she set herself up with her behavior in the media.) Now that Obama is president they will lampoon him. Do you not think there is a place for satire? Even satire about Christians or Christianity? I'd be curious to know what you think of The Wittenburg Door |
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Post by Josh on Nov 2, 2009 20:59:18 GMT -8
Both are possible interpretations.
But I think Jesus is calling Nathanael's bluff. Nathanael was a skeptical, worldly-wise Jew, and Jesus was pointing it out humorously, imo.
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Post by ben on Nov 2, 2009 21:03:31 GMT -8
I guess we have our first disagreement. Nazareth really did not have a good reputation accoriding to the Wycliff Dictionary. I think Nathaniel was just being honest about what he thought of the place.
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Post by Josh on Nov 2, 2009 21:09:22 GMT -8
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