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Post by Josh on Feb 17, 2010 14:06:56 GMT -8
interesting!
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Post by christopher on Feb 17, 2010 19:37:37 GMT -8
And what was the deal with the scale balancing with a white and black rock? Locke/Smokie throws out the white rock as an "inside joke". Is he saying there's no more balance between good and evil (like yin and yang) only the evil forces remaining?
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Post by rose on Feb 17, 2010 21:59:08 GMT -8
Did you notice that Jacobs first name begins with J just like many savior figures in movies (" John Connor" - Terminator, " John Coffee" - The Green Mile e.g.). The same goes for Jack and Locke. The C in the last name is missing though. and don't forget " Josh Coles" |
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Post by rose on Feb 17, 2010 22:03:28 GMT -8
[Here's another question: why is smoke monster now "stuck" in John Locke's form? Wouldn't that mean that Claire and any other dead person we see is not a smoke monster incarnation? That's what I was thinking...why are they still alive if they were dead before smokie took over? |
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Post by moritz on Feb 18, 2010 4:39:25 GMT -8
Nice episode! And what was the deal with the scale balancing with a white and black rock? Locke/Smokie throws out the white rock as an "inside joke". Is he saying there's no more balance between good and evil (like yin and yang) only the evil forces remaining? I guess that's what he believes. The white rock represented Jacob and he threw it away because he thought that the one giving "balance to the force" was gone. The bloody kid told smokie however, that he can't kill "him". I guess "him" is the protector of the island. This job doesn't seem to depend on one specific person. It used to be Jacob. But Jacob was already in search of a successor: 4 Locke8 Hugo 15 Sawyer 16 Sayid (now we know why Jacob wanted Sayid at the temple: because if he deserved to be a candidate, he couldn't die!!) 23 Jack 42 one of the Kwons Jacob knew that his time was up. That's why he didn't resist Ben. And even though Smokie seems to think that with Jacob gone the door is open, there is still "him", the one number, the one candidate who will become the protector of the island. So I guess that the scale isn't out of balance after all. PS: Since "a hitchhikers guide to the galaxy" we know that the sense of life is 42. So against all odds it's not gonna be Shepard, but Kwon! Just kidding. ;D and don't forget " Josh Coles" creepy!  ;D consisted of 4 people: Jack, Kate, Saywer & Hurley. Could it be that these are the only 4 people that can save the island and that they will have to fight together to protect it? Kate is not on the list. At least not on the list written on the cave ceiling which seems to be the list of lists because all the names on that list are linked to the magical numbers. PS: Should the American Dream be added to the list of ideas, ideals and mythologies this crazy quilt called LOST is made up of? After all they threw in "Of Mice and Men"...  |
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Post by rbbailey on Feb 18, 2010 8:25:13 GMT -8
Remember the black rock? When has there been another white rock?
Claire seems to be the new Russeau. (sp?)
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Post by michelle on Feb 18, 2010 9:31:35 GMT -8
I think the Kwan (or maybe it's Cwan to go with the JC thing) that is on the list would have to be Jin. My reasons are fourfold. 1) Sun is pregnant and conceived on the island, which means she will die during child birth. 2) Three other people on the list have names starting with J, so why not add one more. 3) If the Hitchhiker's Guide says 42 is the sense of life then we must believe it. 4) Everyone else on the list is male because we all know that no woman could run an island.  I don't think Smokie has the power to kill anyone himself. Just like satan, he has to get other people to do his dirty work. |
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Post by Kirby on Feb 18, 2010 12:45:57 GMT -8
What if Jacob IS evil, and Locke/Smokie is right?
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Post by moritz on Feb 18, 2010 12:56:49 GMT -8
I don't think Smokie has the power to kill anyone himself. Just like satan, he has to get other people to do his dirty work. But he already killed plenty of people. Among them Mr. Eko, the pilot of the Oceanic flight, some of the soldiers who were involved in the killing of Alex... What if Jacob IS evil, and Locke/Smokie is right? I thought about that too. One of the tricks of the producers of LOST is, that it could always be one way or the other. You never know who you can trust. |
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Post by christopher on Feb 18, 2010 18:40:30 GMT -8
And Jonathan Crombie ;D
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Post by moritz on Feb 19, 2010 9:08:24 GMT -8
I keep pondering on the names:
We got
Jacob
John
Jack
James
Jin
Sayid
Hugo
How does Sayid fit into the pattern? I googled the meaning and it turns out Sayid means Mister/ Master! Bang. The name is Arabic and reserved for – and now listen – the heirs of the prophet (Muhammad)! Is Sayid the heir of the prophet Jacob?
Hugo is a Germanic name and means spirit, soul. And let’s not forget his last name: Reyes = Kings!
On to the J names:
Jacob is Hebrew and means "holder of the heel" or "supplanter" referring to the biblical Jacob. “Other theories claim that it is in fact derived from a hypothetical name like יַעֲקֹבְאֵל (Ya'aqov'el) meaning ‘may God protect’”. This latter version would fit very well here: Jacob, the protector of the island!
John means Yahweh is gracious! (But John
Jack derives from John but also from…. Jacob! (Jacks last name doesn’t require further explanations.)
And James derives from Jacob as well!!
Bang.
Jin means tenderness or gold. That doesn’t really fit into the pattern. But Kwon means… authority!
Interesting, isn’t it? Okay, it doesn’t really answer the question of who the chosen one is but… hey, it all kinda fits.
So it seems Smokie won James over. But we know that Sawyer has a good heart deep down inside. Somewhere. He’s also a survivor. He and Jack are antagonists*. Jack is the healer, the Shepard, the one who – despite his failures – cares for others. James hates him, not least because of Juliet’s destiny. Sawyer only seems to care for himself (which, as we could observe isn’t quite true: He sacrificed himself in the helicopter, for instance). Like most of the other characters, he hasn’t a clear conscience and is seeking forgiveness. I can imagine a final showdown like in star wars: Smokie (the emperor) is about to triumph over Jack (Luke), the last man standing. But in the last possible moment, the good core of Sawyer (Darth Vader) gets the better of him and he helps to destroy Smokie. But that would be too cheap. It’s too predictable; it’s lacking the big surprise. It can’t be that way.
A friend of mine argued that according to “the rules”, the black rock can’t kill the white rock (regardless of which person is doing the job). This should also be plausible vice versa. So maybe one of the 5 candidates is going to replace Jacob and one Smokie…
*The other big antagonist of Jack was Locke, the believer. The producers managed to keep that antagonism up by putting Smokie (supposedly the incarnated evil, Satan, whatever you wanna call it) in Locke’s shape.
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Post by moritz on Feb 19, 2010 11:43:45 GMT -8
Oh and one more thing occured to me: Jacob spoke his last words: "they are coming" - I'm convinced (for) now that he was referring to the candidates. If the words of the small boy (who might be Jacobs ghost) mean, that Smokie can't kill the successor of Jacob (figuratively the white rock), it follows that the moment Jacob died, his successor had to be present on the island. But the candidates Jack, James, Jin, Hugo and Sayid were all locked in the seventies. So, as I already guessed earlier, I think Jacob's death forced them back to the present. This timewarp coincided with the nuke going off and that's how we got the parallel universe. This would also imply that predestination and free will don't fit into one and the same reality, Josh.  |
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Post by Josh on Feb 19, 2010 13:01:42 GMT -8
Sayid's last name is Jirrah (sp?), though.
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Post by Kirby on Feb 24, 2010 11:14:43 GMT -8
This is a paraphrase, but I thought this was interesting:
Jacob: "Sometimes I come to you, sometimes you have to sit and look at the ocean."
EDIT: Here is the direct quote:
"Jack is here because he has to do something. He can't be told what that is. He's got to find it himself. Sometimes, you can just hop in the back of someone's cab and tell them what they're supposed to do. Other times, you have to let him look out at the ocean for a while." -Jacob
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Post by michelle on Feb 24, 2010 12:03:42 GMT -8
Anyone want to venture a guess as to who David's mother is? My guess is that Juliette and Jack went to med school together and had a love child.
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Post by rbbailey on Feb 24, 2010 13:35:48 GMT -8
It's interesting that Jack now has a son in the alternate universe. It shows how different is life could have been.
I do think Jacob is for real, as in, not evil. I think this last episode pretty firmly puts Smokey Locke on the wrong side of the island (so to speak). Jacob has the ability to appear to people in different ways, on or off the island. Jacob's influence, although strange, has always been positive. Smokey has always been a menace, and his control of Rousseau/Claire... anyway, a twist at this point in the show would basically just throw everyone way too much, they wouldn't be able to reconstitute the plot in time to end the show.
The big questions in my mind:
What is the island actually for?
Why are these two "spirits" pitted against each other on it?
Who are the candidates?
Why are they all there?
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Post by Josh on Feb 24, 2010 14:18:23 GMT -8
"Jack is here because he has to do something. He can't be told what that is. He's got to find it himself. Sometimes, you can just hop in the back of someone's cab and tell them what they're supposed to do. Other times, you have to let him look out at the ocean for a while." -Jacob Kirby- that was my absolute favorite line from last night's show. And moritz- Jack, in this episode, made me think of you. Hope you don't take that in a bad way. I just fancy that your relationship with God is like Jack's to Jacob's in some ways. |
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