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Post by dattaswami on Nov 24, 2007 2:47:15 GMT -8
Science is the best religion exposing the existence of God to every ordinary human being on this earth including atheist.
If you see just a leaf and observe it deeply with the knowledge of Botany, you will be shocked with the miraculous work of God which reveals its unimaginable design, unimaginable co-ordination of functions of various cells etc. Through such unimaginable structure of the leaf you are first recognizing the unimaginable super power (Maya) of God. Immediately you will accept the possessor of the super power (Mayi) who is the Lord as said in the subsequent line of the same verse (Mayinamtu Maheshwaram….). Therefore, the deep analysis of the nature which is Science is exposing the miracle of God to every body in this world and there is no need of a separate miracle. Therefore, Science is the best religion exposing the existence of God to every ordinary human being on this earth including atheist. Therefore, I have given a place for Science in the symbol of Universal Spirituality.
A scientist does not require a separate miracle to recognize the existence of God like a realized soul since the deeper analysis of this nature reveals the unimaginable power of God and there by His existence. A scientist who does not believe the existence of God is not a scientist at all. Thus, an ordinary ignorant devotee is helped by God through unimaginable ways. The exceptionally excellent devotee finds God’s help even through the natural ways. He thinks that even the natural respiration is by the grace and power of God only.
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Post by Josh on Nov 24, 2007 21:07:35 GMT -8
Datta,
Be sure to "unpack" your terms when trying to argue a point. Many of your Hindu literary references will be lost on a Western audience if you don't.
I personally would agree with this is many ways. Still, of course, an atheist will argue that design is only illusory. It may not be enough to simply say that what we see in nature is complex and therefore must reflect it's creator, and therefore necessitates belief in God. We might have to go deeper and show that there is no workable naturalistic explanation for the level of complexity of "design" we see in systems in nature.
Still, this does all ultimately go back to what Paul and the Psalmist said, that, all creation shows the glory of the Lord, and that men are without excuse because God's qualities are seen in what has been created.
What do you think of the "Intelligent Design" movement, by the way?
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Post by dattaswami on Nov 25, 2007 4:48:31 GMT -8
Datta, Be sure to "unpack" your terms when trying to argue a point. Many of your Hindu .....What do you think of the "Intelligent Design" movement, by the way? Hi admin board; The invisible hell can be established to a scientist through the concept of infinite space also even without the unimaginable miracle. I have not shown the hell to the scientist in the infinite space. But the scientist has also not shown the limits of this infinite space so that I can be sure about the absence of hell anywhere in the space. This brings 50-50 probability of non-existence and existence of hell. If the hell is non-existent and if still I am careful in not doing the sin, I have not lost anything. Moreover, I am benefited in not having any tension due to fear from court of law here in doing the sin. If there is hell, the scientist will be punished terribly in the hell apart from the tension of sin here. The creation is imaginable even though its limits are unimaginable. The deeper planes of the creation are also unimaginable even to the science today. You can’t say that even the creation also is entirely unimaginable. If everything is unimaginable, the word unimaginable itself cannot be generated. If something is known and something is unknown, the known and unknown exist together. If the known disappears, the unknown also disappears because both known and unknown are relative to each other. Hence, God created the world and made the surface planes of the world to be known to us so that the relative unknown also exists. Then only we can say that God is unknown or unimaginable. If God and the link between God and world are unknown completely, then we can start with the world and end in the world only. This is what is being done by science. Science starts with world and ends in the world. Its logic is limited to the world perfectly. If anybody tries to project the known item as unknown, science will object it and we also must support science in this point. If you do some magic and say that it is a divine miracle, science opposes it and we must also support the science and not the magic projected as miracle. Therefore, you should be always scientific from all angles and try to disprove any miracle as magic. But if you really fail to prove the miracle as magic and still argue that the miracle is only magic, you are no more a scientist. According to science, inert energy is basic material of this universe, which creates, maintains and finally dissolves entire creation and is the God of science. The design of the world doesn’t require the need of awareness because a long duration of time has set up the design of world perfectly by the theory of probability. Scientists do not accept the necessity of an intellectual agent to design this wonderful world as philosophers imagine in Vedanta (Brahmasutras). If this is the end of the story, science could have easily disposed the proposal of Vedanta and the scriptures can be easily concluded as poetic imaginations of certain poets. It can be easily concluded that certain people have created this poetry to exploit the society in the name of God. Anyone can easily believe science and by this time the world should have been filled with atheists only and today, the minority should be theists. But surprisingly the majority is theists and minority is only atheists. The atheists say that since majority is uneducated, theism exists due to possibility of easy exploitation of uneducated people. But even educated people show majority of theists only all over the world. What is the reason for this? The reason for this is that the unimaginable God is showing miracles in the lives of several people to establish the existence of unimaginable God. Not only this, the unimaginable God is exhibiting unimaginable miracles through several devotees and also demons widely. Not only this, God is coming in human form and is offering explanation of the miracles and concept of God. Genuine miracles are many in the world and the minority of atheists is unable to dispose these miracles as magic. You may write the correct answer through copying in the examination. Some body might have also written the same correct answer without copying in the examination. Since the answer is one and same, can you say that the other person who has written the correct answer also copied necessarily? The product may be same but the methods of production vary. Sodium chloride can be produced in several ways. You have produced it in one way. I have produced it in another way. The end product is the same sodium chloride. You cannot say that I have also produced in your way only.
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