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Post by carebear on Feb 15, 2010 21:07:43 GMT -8
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Post by Josh on Feb 15, 2010 21:29:51 GMT -8
Very interesting. Corresponds with the teaching I'm focusing on for this Sunday.
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Post by carebear on Feb 27, 2010 19:19:38 GMT -8
I wanted to share more of what I witnessed in that documentary.
On the "Mark 6" thread I shared about a woman in the documentary who was born into a family (in Illinois!...people who need help are not far off!):
Another interesting story in that film took place in Mt. Shasta, CA (not a third world country!) and it was at a New Age gathering where there were booths set up all over an auditorium for people to go around and talk to them. (Get 'cleansings', readings, etc.). A pastor (the same pastor who I quoted in the "European Protestantism" thread) went to the gathering and had his own little area he created where he asked if people needed prayer. There were several stories out of this event, but one that stood out was this smaller man came up to them and he agreed to have prayer. They started praying for a few minutes and a woman from a new age booth came over very concerned and said to the man getting prayer, "Stop! Don't let them do this to you! They are from the 'other side'!". The little man said, "NO! It's ok! I see a Man with a sword riding on a white horse and He is driving out all my bad things!!!" She was bewildered and walked away. So they continued to pray for him and he started murmuring, "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus" and they said to him, "I think you might want to invited Jesus into your life" and the man said, "I think I already did!" (God is so good!)
In Salem, Massechussetts a man named Jason Westerfield was praying for people at a witch festival and it was amazing when one "man witch" decided after some time listening to Jason to recieve prayer (the man took off his witch cape from his head---which was explained to be a big deal for a witch) and God seemed to touch the man with some life-giving love. Jason had words for the man about shame and negative things that where spoken over the man in his life and that God was washing them away.
Another story happend in Thailand with a "man-girl" (I think that's what they are called). It is a boy who dresses up like a girl and sells himself. It was like this man-girl was begging this one man to pray for him and he recieved so much freedom from pain he was going through because someone stopped to pray and listen.....
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Post by carebear on May 17, 2010 13:47:09 GMT -8
I purchased the Furious Love Deluxe Edition Film and would love to watch it again with anyone interested  I'm waiting for it to arrive |
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Post by christopher on May 17, 2010 19:56:16 GMT -8
I'd love to watch it. Maybe we could have a movie night at the church building one of these Tuesdays for anyone interested?
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Post by carebear on May 27, 2010 13:03:10 GMT -8
Hello! I got the movie today in the mail Let me know Josh if we want to have a movie night. Running time is 95 minutes. We can watch it at our apt as well if the church is not available. |
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Post by carebear on Jul 21, 2010 17:49:00 GMT -8
Who is going to make it to our place next Friday to watch this film?
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Post by carebear on Jul 30, 2010 15:16:12 GMT -8
well, unfortunately there is no meeting tonight to sing, pray, wait, and/or watch this film. I know Jeremy, Chris and Sam are interested in seeing it, but it's just a matter of coordinating days. Whenever a day can be settled on, I am willing to bring the film along. Let me know everyone Until next time  |
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Post by Josh on Oct 17, 2010 18:06:42 GMT -8
Any other thoughts on Furious Love from today?
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Post by Josh on Oct 18, 2010 19:46:51 GMT -8
The most compelling thing about this video was watching Christians exhibiting the love of God in some of the harshest and diabolical situations on the planet. Talk about credibility!
On another note, I was thinking about the statement made by the one pastor (can't remember his name) and thought it might need a bit of modification/ clarification. Remember the guy who said he had the dream about "sinners in the church"? I thought his dream was amazing and a great realization, but I think he said something to the effect of, "let's just love people and let God change them" and I think that statement could be a bit misleading to people if someone were to take him to mean that we should never be involved in helping others change their lives to conform more to Jesus' image. Obviously the New Testament is full of believers exhorting each other toward Godly lives. I'm sure this pastor would not disagree with this, I just think in our culture it's getting a little too easy to just leave all the hard stuff up to God and others and stay out of our responsibility toward each other in the family of God. But, all that said, the church has way too often been hypocritically and impatiently judgmental in our criticism of others.
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Post by carebear on Oct 18, 2010 21:05:05 GMT -8
Good point Josh. We can't allow sin to run rampant in our church and just leave it up to someone else to address. I think he may have been talking about the church's need to be moved by God's love and power more than by their own abilities, rules, etc. when reaching the lost...but not abandoning those things altogether. If we walk in His love we will allow the lost to come in while still lost and let His love change their hearts rather than a list of rules or expectations.
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Post by Josh on Oct 19, 2010 19:39:06 GMT -8
Another thought on something that guy said.
I agreed with what he said about not letting the enemy manifest itself in a way which dehumanizes people (ie, the girl acting like a snake). I think that summarizes the problem I have with phenomenon like "barking in the spirit".
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Post by carebear on Oct 20, 2010 16:02:14 GMT -8
It is true that we need to be able to discern what is from the Spirit and what is from the devil. This man was showing the devil who has authority and that he cannot dwell or control her anymore. We cannot be afraid of the devil or the Spirit. Don't know a lot about the barking in the spirit, but I know many people have used it to discount or suppress any manifestation of the Spirit that is out of the ordinary. Manifestations from either source need to not be pushed aside or put in a category, but understood. If not understood (with more than the intellectual mind), they will be feared or misunderstood. Manifestations from the Spirit of God are not necessary, but are powerful in ways the human mind can't alway understand. If they are suppressed by someone due to fear, it could be disadvantageous for them.
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Post by Josh on Oct 20, 2010 18:13:32 GMT -8
Well, being created in the image of God, it seems that the enemy loves to mock it with animalistic behavior.
A case in point may be Nebuchadnezzar whose sin drove him to what appears to have been a demon-possessed animal state.
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Post by carebear on Oct 20, 2010 19:49:14 GMT -8
My point was that I hope you are not afraid of the manifestations of the Spirit of God. I have never seen Him manifest as an animal in anyone.
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Post by Josh on Oct 20, 2010 19:51:09 GMT -8
My point was that I hope you are not afraid of the manifestations of the Spirit of God. I have never seen Him manifest as an animal in anyone. I was just referring to the animalistic ones or ones that are clearly demeaning. |
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Post by carebear on Oct 22, 2010 22:59:21 GMT -8
The guy you were referring to is Robby Dawkins and he planted a Vineyard church (Vineyard connected to Toronto) in the Chicago area.
I think the focus on the barking dog thing is not important. I think people at sports games hoot and holler like animals too when they get excited about their team. I'm not saying I approve or disapprove of the barking dog because I don't know enough about it. But it seems to be what a lot of people like to talk about in order to believe any "odd" manifestation of the Spirit is actually not from God. (i.e.: laughing in the Spirit must be from satan, acting 'drunk' in Spirit is satanic, etc.). This to me is sad because this belief is stealing something from people. Again, the manifestation is not important but is powerful many times.
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I'm waiting for it to arrive 
