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Post by Josh on Jun 10, 2009 11:46:00 GMT -8
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Post by Josh on Jun 10, 2009 11:47:18 GMT -8
Definitely not. It will encourage sex-determined abortions.
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Post by Margot on Jun 10, 2009 22:01:56 GMT -8
Definitely not. It will encourage sex-determined abortions. Probably. My other thought is that it is just another one of our efforts to control everything in life. There's a lot more wrapped up in knowing your baby's gender than planning for the arrival. Seems to me, that having this information further adds to the illusion that we are the ones calling the shots in life. I notice the test offers a refund if they are wrong....does that mean you get a new baby?? |
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Post by robin on Jun 11, 2009 7:50:57 GMT -8
Definitely not. It will encourage sex-determined abortions. Diddo! |
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Post by aimee on Jun 11, 2009 10:00:12 GMT -8
So, while I see the drawbacks if people are going to use it for abortion purposes, I really like the idea for parents who have good intentions in mind (not that you can really control who does and doesn't)...
I really loved knowing what sex my children were, it made me feel I knew them even better while they formed in my womb. I would have totally loved to have a little portable ultrasound device my entire pregnancy so I could watch them grow and move and be the little people they are at their inception.
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Post by Josh on Jun 11, 2009 12:08:47 GMT -8
Not a contradiction to your thought about people who could handle the info, just a related thought: I think ultrasound is cool later on, because by that point you can see the baby's heart beating- and it's clear visually that this is a human life. In fact, one could argue that ultrasounds are the ultimate anti-abortion pitch. But sex determination tests that only give the gender and no human image of the baby is a bad recipe for those who see children as dispensible. This:  or this: M ____ F____ ? |
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Post by Margot on Jun 12, 2009 23:35:32 GMT -8
I think ultrasound is cool later on, because by that point you can see the baby's heart beating- and it's clear visually that this is a human life. Uh, yeah. RIGHT. When I had my ultrasound of Elizabeth I was terrified because it looked like she had two heads and countless arms (Did I mention the resolution was AWFUL?) Thank God the tech was there to calm my fears or I would probably fainted dead away! When Daniel came along, the ultrasound unit went on the blink right before my appointment. Rather than schedule another time, I told the doctor I'd pass... And lest anyone be tempted to make comments about how long ago that was.... all my friends were showing off crystal clear pictures of their kids smiling, sucking thumbs, standing on their heads, etc. Mine just didn't feel like showing off all their cuteness in those early days  |
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Post by Josh on Jun 16, 2009 22:52:12 GMT -8
So, I heard yesterday on the radio about a couple who are suing a hospital for $14 million dollars because a prenatal test erroneously told them their baby wouldn't have Down's Syndrome.
Makes me want to pull my hair out! A word to the parents: Give the baby up for adoption and save it from the misery of living with selfish, self-absorbed, consumer-mentality parental losers like you.
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Post by Midnight Romance on Jun 24, 2009 17:53:16 GMT -8
Let me be the odd one out who voted "yes" I guess. XD
I feel like you guys are distracting yourselves from the problem. The problem isn't gaining information about your baby. I don't think that's morally wrong in and of itself. I don't even think it's necessarily wrong to find out what genetic defects your child might have when they are born. I had some Christian friends who found out before their daughter was born that she'd be a girl and that she'd have down syndrome, but of course they kept her, and loved her just the same.
What I do think is wrong is abortion and not loving your child just as they are.
The problem I believe is that as a society we look down on people who need help. People with physical defects like down syndrome children are "burdens" to us. Elderly people should be given euthanasia so their shameful fraility will stop "burdening" society. People in comas need to have their plugs pulled so they'll stop "burdening" society by wasting it's resources.
In fact, among my generation (I'm 23 years old), most women don't want to have babies anymore. Why? Because they'll be a crying, pooping, needy mess. They see them as burdens.
Most articles you see on the news are about how some person is so horrible (like Octomom for instance) because they are making choices that are causing them to become burdens on society. We have to pay her hospital bills, food bills, etc., etc.
Countless times I've had to argue with people and tell them that depending on others emotionally doesn't make them horrible. The goal in life is not to be entirely self-sufficient. We are human beings and we were made to take care of and depend on each other. Why do we spit on and shame the idea of needing anyone else for anything?
It's not bad and it's not disrespectful to need other people or to be a special needs child. We become healthier as a society as a whole when we provide for each other and help one another instead of hurting each other and trying to force each other to be "strong." We're stronger when we're united, not divided.
If someone is making us go out of our way to help them unusually then they are obviously at fault to us and I disagree entirely with this viewpoint.
I also, of course, think abortion is wrong.
If we didn't condone either of these beliefs and follow them then there would be nothing wrong with finding out information about your baby before it was born.
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Post by Josh on Jun 25, 2009 11:33:57 GMT -8
Agreed. I don't think there is anything intrinsically immoral about such a test. It's the pragmatic outcome of making such a test available that I'm discussing. And the pragmatic outcome is so sure to lead in the wrong direction, that I just don't think such a test should be made available.
In other words, like a lot of things, it's a morally neutral technology that I just don't think we can handle.
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Post by Midnight Romance on Jun 26, 2009 10:41:22 GMT -8
Okay, then I agree with you completely. I wouldn't really want these tests around because of the problems society has.
I wasn't sure though about what you guys thought, especially since my Mother actually believes that getting these tests at all is immoral in and of itself. She used to tell me so because she got a test like this before my brother was born.
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