hume
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Post by hume on Feb 5, 2007 18:41:33 GMT -8
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Imagine reading the New Testament for the first time -- and without anyone "filling in" the background for you. Would you come away with a "trinitarian" understanding of God? I doubt it. It's possible you'd understand that, according to these writings, Jesus was in some sense God. That is, you might get the God as Father and God as Son distinction, since it's fairly clear in certain N.T. passages -- and incidentally, understanding that distinction, you might be able to sense cryptic hints of it when reading the Old Testament (though, in a similar way, just reading the O.T. would surely not give you a clear sense of Christ's nature). But just as the Second Person of the Trinity is only obscurely present in the Old Testament, the Third Person, while present in the New Testament, is referred to only briefly and rather mysteriously (blink, and you'll miss it).
A Catholic would probably say, this is an example of the importance of Tradition. If you tried to do away with it -- a literal "sola scriptura" -- you'd simply lose critical Christian doctrines, because they aren't worked out clearly in scripture (perhaps they're all there, but many of them don't exactly leap off the page at you). Of course, not even hard-core Protestants really follow "sola scriptura" literally.
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Post by michelle on Feb 5, 2007 18:43:16 GMT -8
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Wow, that's a really great point. I love it when people can think outside the box like that. I get what you are saying about just reading scripture and how without something outside of that key things can be missed or misinterpreted. I know that if it weren't for other people who know more and commentary I would be completely lost as to the message of the Bible. When is Cliff going to come out with some notes??
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Post by Josh on Feb 5, 2007 18:44:25 GMT -8
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I was talking with a friend and we were kind of debating whether and in what sense the Bible is a stand-alone book, an intrinsically understandable book. He was stressing it's ability to speak to anyone and the idea that anyone can grasp it. I stressed the difficulty a new reader would have understanding much of it, and the need a reader of the Bible has for outside study of historical context, interpretation, etc.. (This has a lot to do with this Tradition discussion). Much of the Bible is going to be obscure to a new reader, and without the help of context and interpretation, and Church tradition, the reader can easily end up believing all sorts of cooky things about what it really means.
That being said, I also affirmed that the core messages of Scripture are accessible to everyone- the Bible and the Christian faith are simple enough that anyone can enter in to their fundamental themes, and also complex enough that the most learned scholar could spend their entire life studying them and never get to the bottom.
Hey, that's a ring of truth to me: simple elegance on the surface, and beneath that profound complexity. It's like biology or physics.
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Post by krhagan19 on Aug 22, 2009 22:15:25 GMT -8
I feel that tradition is useful so long as it does not conflict with God's word and works to support the ministry began 2000 years ago on this earth by Jesus Christ. I think pompus tradition for the sake of doing things the old fashioned way is utterly worthless and should be expelled from the comptemporary Church;.
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