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Hosea 5
Sept 7, 2008 18:36:24 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Sept 7, 2008 18:36:24 GMT -8
Post your comments/ questions/ discussion starters on Hosea chapter 5 as replies to this post.
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Hosea 5
Sept 8, 2008 21:22:03 GMT -8
Post by michelle on Sept 8, 2008 21:22:03 GMT -8
For I will be like a lion to Ephraim, like a great lion to Judah. I will tear them to pieces and go away; I will carry them off, with no one to rescue them Hosea 5:14
So many times the lion represents Jesus. Here it seems more like the animal in its most viscious form. Though something about this verse makes me think of Isaiah 8:14 "He will be as a sanctuary, but a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense to both the houses of Israel, as a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem."
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Hosea 5
Sept 9, 2008 20:12:16 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Sept 9, 2008 20:12:16 GMT -8
I think that's why the lion is such a great metaphor for Christ- it's the perfect blend of magesty, ferocity, playfulness, and even, dare I say, snuggliness.
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Hosea 5
Sept 11, 2008 10:35:52 GMT -8
Post by marcus on Sept 11, 2008 10:35:52 GMT -8
Your attempts to get my goat are futile. Jesus is not to be messed with...he's a lamb who holds the keys to heaven and hell. But like any lamb, he does not rely on sharp teeth and claws, because those who live by sharp teeth and claws die by sharp teeth and claws.
Lion isn't a perfect fit. Power comes from wisdom and discipline, not strength or ferocity...your Western Jesus doesn't cut it. Sorry, Josh. Sorry, C.S.
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Hosea 5
Sept 11, 2008 11:58:44 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Sept 11, 2008 11:58:44 GMT -8
So what do you make of Hosea 5:14, then? If the metaphor is a bad one, why is it used here and elsewhere of the Lord? Your goat will be eaten
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Hosea 5
Sept 15, 2008 17:58:47 GMT -8
Post by marcus on Sept 15, 2008 17:58:47 GMT -8
I think you are confusing Yahweh with Jesus.
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Hosea 5
Sept 15, 2008 20:12:40 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Sept 15, 2008 20:12:40 GMT -8
Fair enough in this context, Marcus.
However, here are the reasons I went there:
Here are three lion associations in Scripture:
1. In Genesis 49:9, Judah is compared to a lion 2. In this Hosea passage, Jehovah the Lord calls himself a lion (and also in Hosea 11:10) 3. In Revelation 5:5 Jesus is called the Lion of Judah:
Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals."
Jesus' association with a lion has to do, quite arguably, with his role as judge. The father grants Jesus the right to judge (John 5:27 among others). So, Jesus is not only the suffering servant but the righteous judge of all mankind- depicted in various places in the New Testament with ferocious imagery.
Besides considerations of the workings of the Triune God, here are a couple more reasons why I'm open to seeing passages like this one in Hosea as referring to Christ: In several instances Paul takes OT passages referring to Jehovah (the LORD in NIV) and inserts the name Jesus instead. Apparently to Paul, Jesus and the LORD were interchangeable, Jesus acting as the agent of God's will.
It is also my loosely held opinion that Jesus is synonymous with the Angel of the Lord in the OT. The Angel of the Lord fulfilled a similar role for the Yahweh that Jesus does for the Son in the NT- bascially agent of His will, often serving as temporal executor of God's judgments.
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