Post by jaybee on Aug 28, 2014 10:27:37 GMT -8
JayBee in Bible | August 23, 2014
Regarding suicide
Two people groups
There are two types of suicidal people: The ones who tell people they are suicidal, and the ones who tell no one.
Declarers:
Of suicidal people, it is those who declare their intent that are likely the least suicidal. While attention seekers may announce their suicidal intent with the sole purpose of garnering more attention before they commit the act, many must know that declaring their intent will likely cause others to take preventative measures. Thus, the truly suicidal person could find their plan thwarted.
A declaration does not have to be simply verbal, it can also be through actions seemingly put on display which coincide with suicidal resolve.
Although declaring is a risk, perhaps it is worth the risk for an attention seeking personality. This type of declarer is one who has every intention to commit suicide, but also desires to draw every last bit of attention to themselves. The attention might be so they can die feeling like people finally cared about them, or the drawing of attention might be to cause as much pain as possible by committing suicide in the face of people frantically attempting to stop them.
However, most declarers of suicidal intent likely have something within themselves that hopes their declaration and the subsequent response, will stop them from committing suicide. One has to question the level of intent in an individual to commit an act, if they are going to conduct themselves in a manner that risks having their act prevented – by force if necessary.
For this reason, those who tell of their intent should often be regarded as not happy about their choice, and desiring to be shown a reason to not commit suicide, or desiring to be stopped from what they have been convinced is their last option.
Doers:
The other group of suicidal individuals are the ones who simply commit the act, never having announced their intent. Although not declared directly, those who knew the suicidal individual may look back and see signs that can now be understood as pointing to their intent. This is because an individual’s thought patterns and priorities are difficult to hide, and will likely demonstrate themselves in actions.
The difference between the pre-suicide actions of a doer and a declarer, is that the declarer is seeking attention and ensures his actions are observed – blatantly calling attention to himself. Although the doer may inadvertently show his hand, the doer does not intend for any word or action to disclose his intent.
The doers are the most difficult to deal with for many reasons. Obviously the biggest reason is that they have told no one of their suicidal intent. It is for this reason that this group is likely the more suicidal of the two. The previous group risks or wants their plans to be interrupted, but this group has so firmly decided upon their course of action that they do not want to risk intervention. Additionally, nothing within themselves is left to even subconsciously declare their intent in the hope somebody can change their thinking.
Another reason that doers are the most difficult to deal with is that any visible indications prior to their suicide may often look like they are actually feeling better. Depressed people might finally appear to get out of their slump, unorganized people might suddenly get their life in order, unenergized people can suddenly show drive again, etc. To the observer it appears as if these people have finally broken out of the trouble they were caught in, but really it is the result of hope related to the solution they have set upon.
Granted, there are many people who can, and do, break out of difficult times in life, and the improvement is not a sign of suicidal intent. It is for this reason that the suicidal doers are difficult to determine.
Therefore, while the most committed doers, who avoid declaring their intent through word or action, are nearly impossible to identify, this group should be considered the most suicidal. They are so set on their course, that they do not feel a need to be dissuaded, nor do they wish to risk being prevented.
Two suicide reasons
Just as there are two groups of people who are suicidal, there are two reasons for suicide that every occurrence can be placed within.
Tapper:
The tapper is on par with a subdued wrestler. Eventually, the losing wrestler finds themselves too exhausted and/or weak to fight against the onslaught of their opponent. Even worse, the losing wrestler can find themselves additionally placed into a painful hold. Either way, the wrestler’s only option left is to tap out of the match, they can no longer resist being held down against their will, or they cannot prevent the infliction of pain upon themselves by their opponent.
Likewise, the suicide tapper has found they feel too weak to oppose what they view as their challenger. Not only do they find themselves too weak to oppose their challenger, but they can find themselves the recipient of unpreventable infliction of pain.
Like the wrestler who finally admits defeat in favor of the relieve of removal from the ring, the suicidal tapper looks to tap out in defeat for relief of a similar disengagement from the ring of what their life has become.
For the tapper, suicide is the final admission of defeat. In this instance, suicide is seen as a negative, brought on by a loss of control, and an inability to overcome.
Victor:
The victor is the one who will not be dominated, not matter the cost. In a blaze of glory, this committer of suicide proves themselves untouchable and the default winner. No matter how much life might contend against a victor for control, the victor’s final move ultimately proves the victor is personally in control.
To a victor, they are willing to get down and dirty and wrestle, knowing that whenever they tire of trading blows they hold the ultimate card to win the match. By playing the suicide card, they take all power away from their opponent, and win in this manner.
Suicide for the victor is the ultimate win which allows self-determination of fate. In suicide, the victor removes the ability of anything in life to win, by being the one in control of life itself.
While the tapper sees suicide as the admission of defeat, the victor views suicide positively, and as the ultimate overcoming. Maybe even the way to overcome in a wrestling match that was rigged anyway.
Conclusion
Ultimately, no one is the “victim” of suicide. Here suicide has continually been referred to as an act that is committed, not inflicted.
No matter the cause that might be blamed – life, chemical imbalance, hormone issues, etc. – suicide is a choice to commit an action to fulfill a desire. In this process, cognitive ability is proven, and such ability proves real choice.
While one might be captive to inflictions, none are captive to actions taken in response. Therefore, suicide is a committed choice, not a victimizing infliction.
Christian Perspective
For obvious reasons, a Christian should generally be able to agree that suicide is a sin, and the desire to commit such an act is would be a temptation to commit a sin.
However, it does not appear as one goes in and out of Christianity if one stumbles during a moment of temptation and commits a sin. Thus, suicide should not be considered to be a salvation losing act for the dead individual.
There is only one sin that is not forgiven, and that is dealt with here.
But a Christian should never choose to sin, and only Christ can determine the culpability and penalty for an individual who commits a one-off sin – even suicide.
*Additionally, martyrdom, in its many forms, is not considered here to be suicide.
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Regarding suicide
Two people groups
There are two types of suicidal people: The ones who tell people they are suicidal, and the ones who tell no one.
Declarers:
Of suicidal people, it is those who declare their intent that are likely the least suicidal. While attention seekers may announce their suicidal intent with the sole purpose of garnering more attention before they commit the act, many must know that declaring their intent will likely cause others to take preventative measures. Thus, the truly suicidal person could find their plan thwarted.
A declaration does not have to be simply verbal, it can also be through actions seemingly put on display which coincide with suicidal resolve.
Although declaring is a risk, perhaps it is worth the risk for an attention seeking personality. This type of declarer is one who has every intention to commit suicide, but also desires to draw every last bit of attention to themselves. The attention might be so they can die feeling like people finally cared about them, or the drawing of attention might be to cause as much pain as possible by committing suicide in the face of people frantically attempting to stop them.
However, most declarers of suicidal intent likely have something within themselves that hopes their declaration and the subsequent response, will stop them from committing suicide. One has to question the level of intent in an individual to commit an act, if they are going to conduct themselves in a manner that risks having their act prevented – by force if necessary.
For this reason, those who tell of their intent should often be regarded as not happy about their choice, and desiring to be shown a reason to not commit suicide, or desiring to be stopped from what they have been convinced is their last option.
Doers:
The other group of suicidal individuals are the ones who simply commit the act, never having announced their intent. Although not declared directly, those who knew the suicidal individual may look back and see signs that can now be understood as pointing to their intent. This is because an individual’s thought patterns and priorities are difficult to hide, and will likely demonstrate themselves in actions.
The difference between the pre-suicide actions of a doer and a declarer, is that the declarer is seeking attention and ensures his actions are observed – blatantly calling attention to himself. Although the doer may inadvertently show his hand, the doer does not intend for any word or action to disclose his intent.
The doers are the most difficult to deal with for many reasons. Obviously the biggest reason is that they have told no one of their suicidal intent. It is for this reason that this group is likely the more suicidal of the two. The previous group risks or wants their plans to be interrupted, but this group has so firmly decided upon their course of action that they do not want to risk intervention. Additionally, nothing within themselves is left to even subconsciously declare their intent in the hope somebody can change their thinking.
Another reason that doers are the most difficult to deal with is that any visible indications prior to their suicide may often look like they are actually feeling better. Depressed people might finally appear to get out of their slump, unorganized people might suddenly get their life in order, unenergized people can suddenly show drive again, etc. To the observer it appears as if these people have finally broken out of the trouble they were caught in, but really it is the result of hope related to the solution they have set upon.
Granted, there are many people who can, and do, break out of difficult times in life, and the improvement is not a sign of suicidal intent. It is for this reason that the suicidal doers are difficult to determine.
Therefore, while the most committed doers, who avoid declaring their intent through word or action, are nearly impossible to identify, this group should be considered the most suicidal. They are so set on their course, that they do not feel a need to be dissuaded, nor do they wish to risk being prevented.
Two suicide reasons
Just as there are two groups of people who are suicidal, there are two reasons for suicide that every occurrence can be placed within.
Tapper:
The tapper is on par with a subdued wrestler. Eventually, the losing wrestler finds themselves too exhausted and/or weak to fight against the onslaught of their opponent. Even worse, the losing wrestler can find themselves additionally placed into a painful hold. Either way, the wrestler’s only option left is to tap out of the match, they can no longer resist being held down against their will, or they cannot prevent the infliction of pain upon themselves by their opponent.
Likewise, the suicide tapper has found they feel too weak to oppose what they view as their challenger. Not only do they find themselves too weak to oppose their challenger, but they can find themselves the recipient of unpreventable infliction of pain.
Like the wrestler who finally admits defeat in favor of the relieve of removal from the ring, the suicidal tapper looks to tap out in defeat for relief of a similar disengagement from the ring of what their life has become.
For the tapper, suicide is the final admission of defeat. In this instance, suicide is seen as a negative, brought on by a loss of control, and an inability to overcome.
Victor:
The victor is the one who will not be dominated, not matter the cost. In a blaze of glory, this committer of suicide proves themselves untouchable and the default winner. No matter how much life might contend against a victor for control, the victor’s final move ultimately proves the victor is personally in control.
To a victor, they are willing to get down and dirty and wrestle, knowing that whenever they tire of trading blows they hold the ultimate card to win the match. By playing the suicide card, they take all power away from their opponent, and win in this manner.
Suicide for the victor is the ultimate win which allows self-determination of fate. In suicide, the victor removes the ability of anything in life to win, by being the one in control of life itself.
While the tapper sees suicide as the admission of defeat, the victor views suicide positively, and as the ultimate overcoming. Maybe even the way to overcome in a wrestling match that was rigged anyway.
Conclusion
Ultimately, no one is the “victim” of suicide. Here suicide has continually been referred to as an act that is committed, not inflicted.
No matter the cause that might be blamed – life, chemical imbalance, hormone issues, etc. – suicide is a choice to commit an action to fulfill a desire. In this process, cognitive ability is proven, and such ability proves real choice.
While one might be captive to inflictions, none are captive to actions taken in response. Therefore, suicide is a committed choice, not a victimizing infliction.
Christian Perspective
For obvious reasons, a Christian should generally be able to agree that suicide is a sin, and the desire to commit such an act is would be a temptation to commit a sin.
However, it does not appear as one goes in and out of Christianity if one stumbles during a moment of temptation and commits a sin. Thus, suicide should not be considered to be a salvation losing act for the dead individual.
There is only one sin that is not forgiven, and that is dealt with here.
But a Christian should never choose to sin, and only Christ can determine the culpability and penalty for an individual who commits a one-off sin – even suicide.
*Additionally, martyrdom, in its many forms, is not considered here to be suicide.
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