What was Adam and Eve's sin?

[fabulouspresence]

This thread has been renamed from it's original title:Sins of Scripture - I

The author, who was later banned, apparently equated himself with satan.

Gen 2:15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

Gen 3:4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Hence The Curse of man by the will of Most High. Man, woman and serpent have all been cursed "all the days of your life."

Gen 3:21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

The Sin Defined: The Ebru have erred in this rendition of the Most High's will. Over the ages I have often attempted to correct this error but the architects of the Old Testament were committed in seeing this epic through… their way.

If I may... it was well known among the Seraphim that before consuming the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, one was to be viewed as not knowing the difference between good and evil, right and wrong. At the time, on the Estate, we knew that both Adamah and Chavvah were innocent when they were brought forth for the judgment and Curse.

But how does one argue in the face of blind petulance. Infinitely challenging to say the least, and I do not embellish here. None of the Seraphim were allowed to explain the logic behind the innocence of babes prior to the consumption of said fruit. They were innocent for they had no knowledge that what they did was considered to be inherently and fatally wrong. They were innocent!

Most High was furious, not listening to statement put forth by any of the Seraphim, stating that disobeying Most High’s word was enough to labeled sin and severe enough to warrant a curse of such supreme magnitude.

Regardless, we knew than, as we do now, that if the babes knew not that a particular act was a sin, having not eaten of one of the two trees, then how could they be punished if the absence of eating the very thing that is forbidden was the very thing needed in order to grant consciousness and capacity of discerning good and evil and right from wrong?

Preposterous.

The act is one of innocence since consumption of the fruit itself is needed to understand right from wrong. Chavvah’s act was a childish mistake unwarranted of such a curse to such a degree.

I leave the entire issue of the serpent’s words being truth to another explanation at another time.

[Josh]

Not exactly sure how to respond to this... or if.

Who are you and what's the gist of your perspective? You believe you are one of the seraphim?

[Josh]

Walk in Light brothers, but experience the dark for there is not one without the other.

In Scripture, and in many religions, light is a metaphor for good and darkness is a metaphor for evil. These metaphors have a strong correspondance to good and evil, of course: good helps us see, evil is blinding, nightime can be fearful, just like evil, whereas sunlight brings health, etc..

However, the metaphors don't extend all the way.First off, physical darkness, as part of God's creation is actually good.
Secondly, whereas physical darkness and light must go together, good and evil are not co-equal.

Good is an independent variable that can exist all on it's own. Evil is a dependent variable that could not exist (or even make sense on it's own). Evil is in actually nothing in and of itself- rather it is merely the opposite of good.

Just one example:

One can imagine a universe where everyone always spoke the truth, one cannot rationally imagine one in which everyone lied all the time.

1 John 1:5
This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

[christopher]

Gotta love the internet.

[fabulouspresence]

In haste, I forgot to clarify that this particular sin of scripture I speak of was not the one conducted by Adamah and Chavvah. It is actually the sin performed by Most High’s honorable self.

Please, before closing me off, ask of yourself if you have actually read “The Word,” altered as it is, that has, of most recent, been put to print and brought forth for all to partake in. Yes, yes, one can always hide behind contextually obfuscated interpretations of The Word but the sin of scripture enacted by Most High is there whether one wishes to adhere to literal énucléation or not.

When times were idle and we had no war to propagate, we would oft ruminate and have discourse over the mortal transgressions of the moral law or as is most often referred to as “sin.” It has been equated with that which is universally accepted as “wrong,” yet in the process of cultivating prudent judgment, one must take into consideration the sinner’s intent and motive.

Did Adamah and Chavvah have intent when participating in the accused sin? We understand “intent” to have a specific mental purpose to perform an act that is considered by the ruling authority to be forbidden. We have also accepted that one is acting with intent when one acts with a reckless disregard of the violation of the laws put forth by the prevailing ruling authority, which has already been clarified as Most High.

Did Adamah and Chavvah have motive? Where they compelled? Motive, though used abundantly on television, is seldom an element of any given crime, or sin. However, motive is still used to support the accused’s reasons or inducements for committing said sin.

It can only be concluded that Adamah and Chavvah did no wrong. They did not sin. They had not the intent nor the motive. At the very least they were victims of entrapment by the anointed Chereb that covereth the throne of God.

Such gross disparities, where we have newly born babes on one hand and senior members of the host of Most High on the other, only lend credence to Adamah and Chavvah’s innocence.

The original “sin” falls not on Adamah and Chavvah, who’s sole act of following a Chereb’s proddings resulted in not only their estrangement from Most High due to their wanton disobedience, but also resulted in the condemnation of all mankind for eternity. No, it is plain to see that the original sin fell not on Adamah and Chavvah but upon Most High when Most High brought forth The Curse for all mankind.

This original sin, the first sin of scripture, where two newly created mortals are accused, judged and cursed for their shameful and deplorable act which was seen in Most High’s eyes as being utterly wrong, is reserved for Most High’s self, mine former liege, lord and master.

The cleansing of man's mind and soul will come only through compassion, love and the ability to reasoning through the proper application of responsibility and accountability to all parties involved, including the Most High.

We are all accountable brothers.

[Josh]

At the time, on the Estate, we knew

When times were idle and we had no war to propagate

Most High’s self, mine former liege, lord and master.

The discussion forums is for humans, not seraphim. Sorry.

[portlandjosh]

...physical darkness, as part of God's creation is actually good.

This is the second thing tonight that I didn't understand. I read a lot, and I've spent a lot of time thinking about God and what he must be like, but I just don't get this.

Why do you say that darkness is good? I remember in the creation story in Genesis, God says that He saw the light, and it was good, but I don't remember any evaluation of the darkness.

And that's good, because, as I understand it there is actually no such thing. The is light everywhere --infrared, ultraviolet, X-rays, background microwaves from the big bang... It's just that we can only see a little bit of it. Even at heat-death, every cranny of the universe will still be filled with the stuff.

[Josh]

There is such a thing as darkness. All you have to do is look out your window at night and you'll see it. It exists in our perception- that's enough. And it's a phenomenon that's part of God's creation, which started off completely good.

Also:

portlandjosh,
please re-register with a different name so as not to create confusion. thanks!