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Dec 27, 2007 15:55:51 GMT -8
Post by Alex on Dec 27, 2007 15:55:51 GMT -8
It's really quite a good spot to be in. My kids now know the cookies are for us and make sure they're to my liking. They also follow-up to make sure I enjoyed them. Also they know who they have to be good for and who's holding the list. I'm not above receiving a little sucking-up.
It's a little weird really. We still write letters to Santa, and I still mail them, even though it's well established that Santa is mom & dad (in that order).
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Apr 14, 2008 7:22:03 GMT -8
Post by brandonstabley on Apr 14, 2008 7:22:03 GMT -8
when i found out it was a lie, i began to doubt everything my parents were teaching, including religion. i have a separation with both of my parents even to this day. I now only live in the view of what can be proven which doesn't leave me much room for hope or faith. and this is something i can not bare my child to go through. each person can only take to much trama and it varies deeply from person to person and every situation is different in every aspect.
and josh i am truly happy for you and your son. I can only hope the same can happen for me.
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Apr 14, 2008 12:05:47 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Apr 14, 2008 12:05:47 GMT -8
Brandon, You're right- previous experiences heavily affect our views on these kind of things, and the degree to which we question things. I happen to think that a healthy dose of skepticism is good as long as it is reasonable. What I like about the Christian story, in my experience, is that it can stand up to reasonable doubts. Thanks for your kind words, too. As far as "what can be proven", I've got a follow up question for you on another thread: Proof or Evidence?Scroll down to the bottom for a response to something you said here.
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Apr 15, 2008 12:05:54 GMT -8
Post by donna on Apr 15, 2008 12:05:54 GMT -8
wow I thought I would never put input in this forum, but Santa is a story for the kids untill they are old enough to understand Christmas completly .. Its a fun thing and mostly its for the grandparents , parents and the little ones .. Though I remember my older brother swearing he saw him leave one Christmas when I was old enough to know better.. I know now he did it for my parents, We went to church and I do not remember any remorse believing for that short time.. Back then kids could be about 8 or 9 before knowing .. Now with all the TECH they are about 5 and 6 when they get the feeling something isnt right.. Santa the Easter Bunny its all for fun and I can't believe its a issue of Church.. Its for FUN come on FUN... Its not lying or we could not use our imaginations at all... Anyway I should not get involved since I'm just a LURKER lookin for TRUTH but not to the point of being no fun at all....
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Apr 15, 2008 12:41:47 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Apr 15, 2008 12:41:47 GMT -8
It is pretty crazy how early things get "spoiled" in the life of kids and our day and age. I do hate the loss of innocence I know my kids will experience at a much earlier age than I did.
As you can see, there are a variety of opinions and experiences on this theme.
Don't feel you shouldn't get involved, that's the whole point- sharing our perspectives and learning from each other.
I definitely think this is a matter of personal conviction. I don't think anyone is saying that a Church should dictate what someone should think about this.
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Nov 24, 2008 18:16:35 GMT -8
Post by michelle on Nov 24, 2008 18:16:35 GMT -8
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Nov 25, 2008 0:57:21 GMT -8
Post by moritz on Nov 25, 2008 0:57:21 GMT -8
where can I enlist??
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Nov 25, 2008 1:00:28 GMT -8
Post by moritz on Nov 25, 2008 1:00:28 GMT -8
But I do want him to know from a relatively early age that Christianity is not just built on wishful thinking and made-up fantastical tales, (...)
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Nov 25, 2008 1:18:34 GMT -8
Post by moritz on Nov 25, 2008 1:18:34 GMT -8
Ok, three posts in a row. In Germany, Santa Claus (Nikolaus) comes at the 6th of December (that's his saint's day after all). And he brings candy, no presents. You have to clean your boots and you have to be good cause otherwise his helper (Knecht Ruprecht) will bring you boring nuts instead of candy. I happen to know this for a fact (naw, I always got candy) So this is where we put Santa. On The evening of the 24th of December the Christ Child comes and brings presents. Children learn that although it's Jesus birthday he's the one giving presents instead of receiving presents, cause that's how he is (you know, washing feet although he's the boss and everything). So in Germany Christmas used to be all about Jesus. One would hear the Christmas story and sing old fashioned Christmas songs. One day you would find out that Jesus didn't really bring the presents but your parents would explain that it was a symbolic act and that the story of Jesus was true and nobody would tell you otherwise. It didn't harm anybodys faith. That was before Coca Cola installed Father Christmas. Today the word Christ Child has become really old fashioned. The Weihnachtsmann rules now. Oh and in Spain Christmas eve isn't corrupted by presents (as far as I remember). At least that's how my Spanish mother taught us. Kids have to wait until january 6th (Epiphany). The three Magi brought the presents in the bible and the Magi bring the presents to the kids.
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Nov 25, 2008 13:47:15 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Nov 25, 2008 13:47:15 GMT -8
Wow... I really like both the German and Spain traditions in their own ways. That's really fascinating stuff, Mo. Knecht Ruprecht is such a cool name. Rolls right off the tongue
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Nov 25, 2008 14:21:25 GMT -8
Post by moritz on Nov 25, 2008 14:21:25 GMT -8
Knecht Ruprecht is such a cool name. Rolls right off the tongue hahaha hey, this reminds me of a funny anecdote. I think it was two years from now. I was at Steve's and Doris'. It was the night of the 5th december and Steve and I played guitar and then watched a movie. It was after midnight when the movie finished. When I was about to leave he opened the door of the room and there was chocolate stuff lying in front of the door. He took it in without saying a word and looked really puzzled. haha He had no idea what this was all about. Me neither until I figured it was already Nikolaus-day! hahaha good memory.
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Nov 25, 2008 14:28:49 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Nov 25, 2008 14:28:49 GMT -8
Mo, did Steve tell you I got a plane ticket for Germany? I'll be there July 2-12 2009. So pick a good pub for us to go out to.
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Nov 25, 2008 14:47:15 GMT -8
Post by moritz on Nov 25, 2008 14:47:15 GMT -8
Mo, did Steve tell you I got a plane ticket for Germany? I'll be there July 2-12 2009. So pick a good pub for us to go out to. wot wot woot? That's awesome man! do you have a place to stay? Unfortunately Steve and I have been out of touch for quite a while now. So he couldn't tell me anything about it. (note to self: call Steve). I moved in with my girlfriend and we have a room for guests. So if there's any problem with space I'd be more than happy to be your host (provided you would even think of staying at such godforsaken a place as my home ) Now seriously, you are welcome and if Rose comes with you, she's welcome to. I'll be free as a bird by that time cause I have my last exams in may. Oh wait a second, it could be that I'm on a trip around the world in July....
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Nov 26, 2008 15:59:27 GMT -8
Post by michelle on Nov 26, 2008 15:59:27 GMT -8
That's it, I'm moving to Germany. They have the best Christmas tradition I've heard of. I think over the Thanksgiving weekend I'm going to try to convince my parents that we need to draw names out of a hat for Christmas presents because this buying presents for everyone is just too much money for a single gal with a mortgage.
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Nov 27, 2008 1:02:38 GMT -8
Post by moritz on Nov 27, 2008 1:02:38 GMT -8
That's it, I'm moving to Germany. They have the best Christmas tradition I've heard of. Unfortunately this tradition is passé. Today, as in most parts of the Western world, Christmas has become the worship-the-golden-calf-day. You'd be shocked to hear how little people over here know about Jesus. So don't be misguided by the way things used to be. I think over the Thanksgiving weekend I'm going to try to convince my parents that we need to draw names out of a hat for Christmas presents We call that "Wichteln" (rolls off the tongue almost as easily as Knecht Ruprecht)
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Aug 24, 2009 13:58:48 GMT -8
Post by krhagan19 on Aug 24, 2009 13:58:48 GMT -8
I still believe in Santa!
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