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Post by Josh on Apr 9, 2010 12:21:21 GMT -8
Kirby, Kirby, Kirby.
Every fantasy worth its salt must have intrinsic realism/ explainability within the genre. Any anomalies from the ordinary world must have at least a rudimentary explanation.
That's how we know good fantasy from bad fantasy- realism with the story.
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Post by rbbailey on Apr 9, 2010 12:22:37 GMT -8
Like Star Wars!
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Post by Kirby on Apr 12, 2010 8:07:43 GMT -8
I am not criticizing the show for being unrealistic...I love fantasy. But there is no rudimentary explanation for why kryptonite weakens Superman, or how the Flux Capacitor works, or how the Enterprise can use some function of the deflector array to get them out of almost every situation. The point is that we believe it to be true (within the context of fantasy) without explanation. If Luke said he used the Force to destroy the Death Star, we accept that. We really do not need to know that he caused a chain reaction from a lucky shot.
I guess what I am trying to say is that we cannot always apply a real world explanation to fantastical situations...only other fantastical ones.
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Post by moritz on Apr 13, 2010 6:07:50 GMT -8
That's how we know good fantasy from bad fantasy- realism with the story. Funny, this is exactly my criticism of Christianity: Too unrealistic! And all that even though Christianity claims to be truth, not fantasy.  But there is no rudimentary explanation for why kryptonite weakens Superman, or how the Flux Capacitor works, or how the Enterprise can use some function of the deflector array to get them out of almost every situation. The point is that we believe it to be true (within the context of fantasy) without explanation. . This is exactly my line of thinking when pondering on the claims of Christianity. I even used the metaphor of the werewolf and the silverbullets to illustrate it on this forum. We are all so used to talking snakes and the assertion that the death of an innocent man can atone the sin of the entire humanity, that we forget to ask how this is supposed to make any sense. And back to Lost: Josh, I must have missed something. Which buildings endured the nuke? |
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Post by rbbailey on Apr 13, 2010 14:25:30 GMT -8
Moritz, I'm so trying to find the right spot to ambush you! ;D
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Post by Josh on Apr 13, 2010 17:28:09 GMT -8
OK- another biblical/ historical parallel I realized last night at Pubagetics.
I was thinking about the whole Temple motif in Lost and then I realized that it was not long after Jacob's death that His Temple was attacked and all those that remained inside were destroyed.
This is such a strong parallel the Temple being destroyed by the Romans, as Jesus predicted, within a generation (a short time) after His death.
If we extend this parallel, that means that the Chinese guy (forgot his name already) would represent the priesthood and/or Jewish rebellion, who once served God/ Jacob but had fallen away from His ideals stubbornly holding on to their traditions and incomplete understanding.
Those who escaped the Temple and are now the rag-tag group of those still loyal to Jacob are like the early church, hounded and persecuted but alive and carrying out the will of their Master.
What do you think?
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Post by Josh on Apr 13, 2010 18:36:23 GMT -8
The point is that we believe it to be true (within the context of fantasy) without explanation. If Luke said he used the Force to destroy the Death Star, we accept that. We really do not need to know that he caused a chain reaction from a lucky shot. I guess what I am trying to say is that we cannot always apply a real world explanation to fantastical situations...only other fantastical ones. You're misunderstanding me I think (and Moritz too, but that's nothing new ) The point is for a fantasy to be realistic and believable, we need to believe that there is an satisfactory explanation of how something extraordinary (to us) is done within that universe. If anyone could do anything in a fantasy story we would quickly grow disinterested in it. |
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Post by rbbailey on Apr 13, 2010 19:01:22 GMT -8
This is such a strong parallel the Temple being destroyed by the Romans, as Jesus predicted, within a generation (a short time) after His death. If we extend this parallel, that means that the Chinese guy (forgot his name already) would represent the priesthood and/or Jewish rebellion, who once served God/ Jacob but had fallen away from His ideals stubbornly holding on to their traditions and incomplete understanding. Those who escaped the Temple and are now the rag-tag group of those still loyal to Jacob are like the early church, hounded and persecuted but alive and carrying out the will of their Master. What do you think? Josh, I'm tracking with you on this, but I hadn't taken it so far. Earlier, I had thought of the temple 'others' as being the sort of blind-faith follower type, the ones who get caught up in the religion of the issue. A few make it out of the destruction of religion, a few make it out, but end up following the wrong side in the end. Your analogy would seem appropriate to apply to the Jewish sects that ran for the hills after the temple destruction. |
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Post by Josh on Apr 13, 2010 19:10:15 GMT -8
Well, of course, the Christians fled the Temple before it was surrounded and escaped to Pella.
The Zealots remained and were destroyed.
It all makes me think of that great line from The Who's I'm Free:
You've been told many times before/
Messiah's pointed to the door/
But no one had the guts to leave the Temple
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Post by Josh on Apr 13, 2010 21:10:03 GMT -8
tonight's episode: What in the world???
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Post by rbbailey on Apr 13, 2010 22:29:26 GMT -8
Hummmmm....
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Post by moritz on Apr 14, 2010 0:30:05 GMT -8
Moritz, I'm so trying to find the right spot to ambush you! ;D Go ahead! ;D Josh: I'm not sure you're the one who is misunderstood |
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Post by rbbailey on Apr 14, 2010 9:07:18 GMT -8
There were some twists tonight, but the biggest twist came when I watched the preview for next week -- obviously, Desmond is still alive, but in the preview it appears to show Sayid shooting him -- Sayid doesn't miss, he's like Cantrell. |
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Post by sarah on Apr 15, 2010 7:07:04 GMT -8
cheeesy dynamite
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Post by Kirby on Apr 15, 2010 7:43:48 GMT -8
What I thought was cheesy was when Hurley was talking to ghost-Michael: "Oh, so that is what those whispers are..." "Yeah"
Can I get some details, please?
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Post by Josh on Apr 20, 2010 19:38:12 GMT -8
I've been feeling like about every other episode is really good this season, so that should mean tonight will be worth it.
Probably the best scene from last week, one that's been sort of haunting me this week because my life seems to paralleling Lost in some ways this season, was Ben's observation that Ilana was killed when the island didn't need her any more. It's that "God as the lab rat technician" motif.
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Post by Josh on Apr 21, 2010 18:39:46 GMT -8
Okay, so I have a theory.
I predict that the real John Locke is going to die on the operating table, but Jack is going to bring him back. I think this will be simultaneous with the evil John Locke being destroyed (perhaps by Jack?)
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