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Post by robin on May 7, 2008 20:16:16 GMT -8
I'm in agreement with Josh and Sonlyt. To an extent, this is what the church has been doing until recent years. We should look at Providence Health as an example. At one point they were strictly a Catholic organization who's goal was to show the love of Christ to those in need, specifically medical need. However, with the oversight of government and the regulations that are now in place, providence at least to some extent has lost its Christian distinctive. I personally know many of those who operate at the upper echelon of Providence, and I have no reason to believe that many of them are there because they feel a need to show the love of Christ. It is truly sad.
Robin
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Post by aimee on May 20, 2008 23:37:26 GMT -8
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Post by Josh on May 22, 2008 19:50:15 GMT -8
Aimee,
That's really cool. Which of Alex's family is doing what?
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Post by Douglas on May 23, 2008 6:49:20 GMT -8
(Sonlyte) Rick i definitely agree with you on the guilt aspect. Our goal cannot be to solve the whole problem as that is impossible from the very mouth of Jesus.
However i do have a couple points of difference with you.
I think we all agree that the problem of poverty in general and health care in specific are both too big for the church to tackle on its own. We can as you suggested work independently to help some of these people. i think that is an excellent plan and one that is a church tradition from the very beginning.
Let me suggest another possible solution. We live in a democracy meaning that each citizen has the right and responsibility to be an active part of the government. By principle if the citizens do not participate the nation ceases to be a democracy and becomes something else entirely. It make sense that as Christians if we want to see a government that reflects Christian values and principles then we need to be actively participating in it. If we do not then we really dont have a right to complain when the government doesnt show these qualities, as it our responsibility to inject them into the system.
I suggest that a just, balanced, and God honoring system of universal health care is within our grasp if Christians involve themselves in the process. If only the corrupt involve themselves in the process the end result will be corrupt. GIGO as they say in computing. As much as i love to see the church training doctors I would love to see the church encouraging and training politicians, civil servants, diplomats, policemen, governors, etc.
Why can we not transform the system from the inside out? Who else can effect this type of change but good solid mature Christians? As the general morality of our nation fall apart there is more and more need for honest, God fearing, intelligent Christian who are actively involved in the process, transforming it to reflect God's glory.
I believe fully that the more corruption, inefficacy, moral failure that we see on the part of the governments the more need there is for us to be involved in the system.
Just some thoughts and as always i hold them lightly and i am not offended in any way if someone thinks otherwise.
Blessings,
Douglas
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Post by aimee on Sept 11, 2008 11:42:16 GMT -8
Hi Josh, sorry I didn't get back on this one. Alex's dad was involved in the security and parking aspects of this event.
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Post by robin on Mar 13, 2009 8:49:36 GMT -8
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Post by meghan on Mar 13, 2009 16:21:43 GMT -8
Hey- how do i tap into the charity of christians when it comes to paying for the uninsured?  |
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Post by Josh on Mar 13, 2009 16:39:02 GMT -8
That's simple... you tithe. Just kidding  What services do you need? |
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Post by meghan on Mar 13, 2009 16:57:29 GMT -8
Naw. I'm fine right now. But there's always just the overriding fear in everything that I do, that I'll break something or realize I have cancer or... you know. All the stuff that just happens to people. I have a fake part of my front tooth that, if it broke, it'd wipe me out financially.
Luckily I am pretty healthy and have not had to go to the doctor in a few years (knock on wood), but when I do have to go to the doctor it costs me $100+ to get checked out and given a prescription. That's without x-rays, cat scans, or anything. Just simply a doctor feeling my throat and going "ah, yes, you have strep throat". Well, duh. I KNEW that. I mean, that's just the reality for many people.
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Post by meghan on Mar 13, 2009 16:58:26 GMT -8
Oh, wait. I did go to a doctor fall of 2007. I broke the side of my foot. 500 bucks down the drain (and that was with a discount because he was the father of a friend).
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Post by Josh on Mar 13, 2009 17:10:23 GMT -8
How much would insurance cost you? Just curious because I have no clue. You don't have to say if you don't want.
The reason I said tithe (thought jokingly) was because I think the church family should be there for each other's legitimate needs when possible.
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Post by meghan on Mar 13, 2009 21:36:21 GMT -8
I really don't know. There's the short-term insurance that covers you if something catastrophic happens, and that's about ... oh I can't remember. It's not too bad with a really high deductible. And that's good to have in case you get into a car accident nobody's going to pay for, or .. I don't know.
But so often those plans screw you over on anything they can - if there's any ounce of evidence that you saw a doctor before you got the insurance, they won't cover anything. Also- they usually only last six months at a time, so if you come down with something during one term of coverage, they won't cover you the next (if it's an ongoing issue). Anyway- that's just for catastrophic stuff, not getting strep throat or breaking a foot.
I'm not sure how much an ongoing HMO coverage costs. I know when I got kicked off my parents' insurance at Kaiser (because I was too old), they sent me an offer in the mail and I remember thinking it quite the ridiculous number, but I don't remember what it is. I should look into it.
Oh, I totally understand the tithe thing. It's just... who wants to ask for medical help? Nobody.
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Post by Josh on Mar 13, 2009 21:44:43 GMT -8
It's been known to happen at Aletheia.
It's funny how it's hard to ask when it's you, though, huh? But we have to get over that if we're going to be the kingdom.
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Post by meghan on Mar 14, 2009 6:58:53 GMT -8
I think the most frustrating part is that I really REALLY just want to be able to take care of myself. I mean, I want a full-time job... nobody will give one to me. You know? That's the hardest part - that I'm 26 years old and I'm not self-sufficient. I never thought I'd end up here.
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Post by Josh on Jul 31, 2009 21:51:00 GMT -8
Rose was just mentioned to me that she thought she heard something about Obama wanting abortions to be funded through universal health insurance. Has anyone heard about this?
Did you already mention this Robin, cause it's kinda sounding familiar- at least about insurance plans being forced to cover abortions. Anyway, that's super lame. That in and of itself would cause me to resist Universal Health Care.
Also, 20/20 just did a pretty devastating critique of universal healthcare.
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Post by robin on Aug 3, 2009 8:46:32 GMT -8
I mentioned this on the "Abortion, the Politics of" thread. As i mentioned on the other thread, this is why our vote for president, and congressional members does have an impact on the abortion industry. Conservative and pro-life political leaders like McCain would never support, or sign this bill. Despite Obama's campaign rhetoric, he would like to see abortions, and the industry that profits from abortions, expanded and not reduced. Our tax dollars will be pouring into Planned Parenthood and NARAL if Obama and his congressional allies get their way. Truly sad.  Here is a link to the other thread. aletheia.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ironsharpens&action=display&thread=1553&page=6Robin |
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Post by robin on Aug 3, 2009 10:06:02 GMT -8
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