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Luke 21
Jul 12, 2008 9:51:44 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Jul 12, 2008 9:51:44 GMT -8
Post your comments, questions, and discussion starters on Luke chapter 21 as replies to this post.Luke chapter 21, Mark chapter 13, and Matthew chapter 24 are nearly identical and comprise what biblical scholars often call the "Olivet Discourse" because Jesus spoke these words while staying on the Mount of Olives. For a fuller treatment of the Olivet Discourse, take this link: The Olivet Discourse
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Luke 21
Jul 12, 2008 12:37:27 GMT -8
Post by christopher on Jul 12, 2008 12:37:27 GMT -8
So you're doing Luke 22 before Luke 21? Sure, pick a weekend where both us and the Ewry's will be out of town to do Olivet.
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Luke 21
Jul 12, 2008 13:00:32 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Jul 12, 2008 13:00:32 GMT -8
It's that weekend? Oh, that might change this a bit (really). Can we all say "Widow's Mite" sermon on the 20th instead? ;D Gotta have my posse.
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Luke 21
Jul 19, 2008 21:14:30 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Jul 19, 2008 21:14:30 GMT -8
Luke 21:1-4 1As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. 2He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. 3"I tell you the truth," he said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. 4All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on."
This widow reminds me of a character in one of my favorite Daniel Amos songs:
Small Great Things
from the album "Mr. Buechner's Dream" Music by Daniel Amos, Words by T.S. Taylor ©2001 Zoom Daddy/BMI
She cast her drag net Out on the ocean Pulled out a debt And a sinking dream All she had left was Her devotion And heaven knows thats Everything
He staggered blind up To the altar And left a cup Filled with a Drunkards faith In their disguises They pass each other The Saviors eyes In a foreign face
No they aren't walking On the water They aren't wearing their angels wings Wayward sons and fragile daughters A touch of faith enough for Small great things
They're unaware they Moved a mountain With fumbled prayers and Their bloodied knees God's ruined hands, They've read about them They've never touched them But they still believe
No they aren't winning Every battle Life is tough and death Still it stings Doubt comes on and Faith is fragile Just a touch enough for Small great things
No they aren't walking On the water They aren't wearing their angels wings Wayward sons and fragile daughters A touch of faith enough for Small great things
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Luke 21
Aug 18, 2008 8:37:59 GMT -8
Post by christopher on Aug 18, 2008 8:37:59 GMT -8
Hey Josh, Great job on this passage yesterday...you really did your homework. I wanted to re-iterate for the sake of record what I see as the significance of these prophetic passages. When I was a dispensationalist, I bought the suggestion that these passages were there to keep us ready for Jesus to come back. However, someone pointed out to me that I could just as likely (if not more likely) die before Jesus comes back. And since I don't know when that will be, I need to be ready to meet Him anyway*. That made total sense to me. Now that I'm a preterist on these passages, I see the greater significance of them being a witness to us Christians living after the time of Jesus. When Jesus was present, people could witness His miracles as a testimony of His credibility and authority. Jesus said: John 10:25 The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me. NKJV and to the zealous Jews he said.... John 10:36-38 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? 37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him." NKJV In our day we don't have Jesus physically present to show us miracles **. But how great it is that He has left us with this incredibly detailed fulfilled prophesy as a supporting witness to His words. Not only that, but he has preserved the historical account of that event as solid evidence of it in the works of Josephus (a non-Christian as you pointed out). Given the rarity of survival of ancient works, it's pretty remarkable that this particular work was preserved (miraculously???). It's a shame that this point is lost on most Christians today in favor of the other view. It really lends some pretty firm and remarkable support to the validity of one's faith. Notes: *Although, I never understood why a Christian needed to be "ready" to meet Jesus. If someone loves Him, they'll be doing the things He's commanded anyway...and quite eagerly and cheerfully as well. **Exception: where this may be happening through His body...the church (mostly on the third world mission field as far as I can tell).
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