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Ruth 2
Sept 19, 2010 18:31:24 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Sept 19, 2010 18:31:24 GMT -8
Post your comments, questions, and discussions starters on Ruth chapter 2 as replies to this post.
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Ruth 2
Sept 22, 2010 15:02:45 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Sept 22, 2010 15:02:45 GMT -8
Two observations from reading through Ruth 2:
Verses like
22 Naomi said to Ruth her daughter-in-law, "It will be good for you, my daughter, to go with his girls, because in someone else's field you might be harmed."
make a lot more sense with the background of Judges 17-21 in mind- i.e., how wicked and dangerous Israelite society had become.
Also, I wonder about Boaz's initial feelings toward Ruth- was there an immediate attraction or was it more of a platonic or paternal affection?
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Ruth 2
Sept 24, 2010 22:46:19 GMT -8
Post by rose on Sept 24, 2010 22:46:19 GMT -8
I feel like there is instant attraction on his part...with all the doting and what not!
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Ruth 2
Sept 26, 2010 15:08:03 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Sept 26, 2010 15:08:03 GMT -8
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Ruth 2
Sept 26, 2010 20:16:45 GMT -8
Post by christopher on Sept 26, 2010 20:16:45 GMT -8
How old would you like him to be? It's not exactly unprecedented to have elderly men marrying younger women.
I have something to post in relation to our chronology discussion today, but I'm not sure where.
I'll figure it out and then let you know.
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Ruth 2
Sept 26, 2010 20:50:37 GMT -8
Post by christopher on Sept 26, 2010 20:50:37 GMT -8
By the way, this is the verse that convinced me the geneology of Boaz didn't have gaps.
Matt 1:5-65 Salmon begot Boaz by Rahab, Boaz begot Obed by Ruth, Obed begot Jesse, 6 and Jesse begot David the king. NKJV
I know it's a tough stretch IF the period of the judges is 300-400 years. However, I lean toward it being much shorter (maybe 200?). I think it's possible that many of the Judges ruled simultaneously in different regions and so there could be overlap. We don't need to place them back to back.
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Ruth 2
Sept 27, 2010 17:14:27 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Sept 27, 2010 17:14:27 GMT -8
However, I lean toward it being much shorter (maybe 200?). I think it's possible that many of the Judges ruled simultaneously in different regions and so there could be overlap. We don't need to place them back to back. ok, but what about these verses? Acts 13:17-20 NKJ 17 The God of this people Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an uplifted arm He brought them out of it. 18 Now for a time of about forty years He put up with their ways in the wilderness. 19 And when He had destroyed seven nations in the land of Canaan, He distributed their land to them by allotment. 20 “After that He gave them judges for about four hundred and fifty years, until Samuel the prophet.* 1 Kings 6:1 (NIV) Solomon Builds the Temple 1 In the four hundred and eightieth year after the Israelites had come out of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, the second month, he began to build the temple of the LORD.See also Judges 11:26 compared to Num. 21:25-26 and Deut 2:36) *but see the NIV rendering, which does leave a way out of the period of the judges being 450 years.
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Ruth 2
Sept 27, 2010 18:25:27 GMT -8
Post by christopher on Sept 27, 2010 18:25:27 GMT -8
Acts 13:17-20 17 "The God of this people Israel chose our fathers and made the people great during their stay in the land of Egypt, and with an uplifted arm He led them out from it. 18 "For a period of about forty years He put up with them in the wilderness.
19 "When He had destroyed seven nations in the land of Canaan, He distributed their land as an inheritance -- all of which took about four hundred and fifty years.
20 "After these things He gave them judges until Samuel the prophet. NASU This is where I think I'd favor the Alexandrian translations over the TR. Also, we can remember that Moses and Joshua were also Judges over Israel, technically You already know that much greater minds than mine have wrestled over this issue to no avail. Some scholars say between 200-300 years, others over 500 years! There's just no consensus. Many say that the judges period shouldn't be calculated by consecutive adding, as if there was only one at a time, but rather see them as overlapping and simultaneous. Some even put Samson, Jephthah, and Samuel, as contemporaries because of the Philistine oppression (and they may be right). Many believe that Ehud's reckoning is a copyist error (not 80 years, but 8 or 18). There's just so many variables, how can anyone really be sure how long it was I favor the lower estimates because it preserves the geneologies in two places. I think that is far as my pea brain can take it without more data.
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Ruth 2
Sept 27, 2010 18:58:12 GMT -8
Post by Josh on Sept 27, 2010 18:58:12 GMT -8
But that still doesn't help reconcile with 1 Kings 6:1.
Granted it's complicated and personally I don't really care even if this is an error (gasp!), but I think that it's easier to reinterpret "mother of" as "ancestor of" than to try and squeeze 3 generations of David's line into the whole period of the Judges which seems to have been more like 300-400 years.
I realize I'm re-treading the same ground as our convo here, but I just thought I'd put it down for posterity.
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Ruth 2
Sept 27, 2010 19:50:53 GMT -8
Post by christopher on Sept 27, 2010 19:50:53 GMT -8
...and you'd like to see Boaz as a younger Sean Connery rather than a Jack Nicholson, right? BTW, I don't expect my posterity to ever read this. ;D
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