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Post by moritz on Mar 9, 2009 3:07:41 GMT -8
(...) but perhaps I'm living in a cave. Holy cow, apparently you not only live in a cave but under a rock inside a cave behind the moon!!  Jokes aside. Steve, I have a lot of respect for you and I hope you know that. I don't want to disgruntle or ridicule you, but your post was flat terrible in ways you can't even imagine. If it wasn't you, I would joyfully tear it into pieces and give you a hearty virtual bashing. But it's been you who wrote it so I'll behave myself. The key problem of your post is that you are exposing very elementary misconceptions about the Theory of Evolution (especially about natural selection) along with "haarsträubender" missinformation and gaps in knowledge.  What can we do? Let's take this as an opportunity to meet. Explaining this vis-a-vis while having a beer, dinner, walking or playing guitar should be much nicer than over a forum. And way more effective in terms of avoiding misunderstanding. What do you say? |
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Post by steve on Mar 9, 2009 7:32:44 GMT -8
Sounds good. I'd rather take a real bashing than a virtual one as long there's beer involved.  Call me. |
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Post by Josh on Mar 9, 2009 8:38:57 GMT -8
Not so fast folks. I think the core of what Steve is saying is valid- the failure of naturalistic evolution to provide adequate mechanisms for change from species to species. And how dare you take the conversation where I can't reach it!!!!  You're both in serious trouble when I visit. |
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Post by Josh on Mar 9, 2009 9:14:36 GMT -8
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Post by moritz on Mar 9, 2009 10:14:37 GMT -8
And how dare you take the conversation where I can't reach it!!!! You're both in serious trouble when I visit. I'm looking forward to seeing you again, Josh  Having a beer with both of you will be a blast! On the continuation of this discussion: I have a series of written exams in three weeks for which I'm supposed to prepare now. That means that I have to retent a bit again. Not cause writing is taking me too much time, but rather because I find myself drifting away into thoughts on recent Aletheia debates everytime I have my learning matter in front of me. ;D This place is so much more fun... But like Arnold said: I'll be back!  |
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Post by steve on Mar 9, 2009 14:04:48 GMT -8
So does that mean we're not getting a beer? |
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Post by moritz on Mar 9, 2009 15:28:34 GMT -8
So does that mean we're not getting a beer? No, we'll have our beer. All work and no play make Mo a dull sociologist. One has to set priorities . Hey, this reminds me of something*. Take a look at your cellphone, I called today but you didn't pick up. I'll try again tomorrow. *Sure you know this old chainmail that goes like this: A philosophy professor stood before his class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, wordlessly he picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with rocks, rocks about 2" in diameter.He then asked the students if the jar was full? They agreed that it was.
So the professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles, of course, rolled into the open areas between the rocks.
He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was.
The professor picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else.
He then asked once more if the jar was full. This time the students were sure and they responded with a unanimous "YES!"
The professor then produced two cans of beer from under the table and proceeded to pour their entire contents into the jar -- effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed.
"Now," said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The rocks are the important things - your family, your partner, your health, your children?things that, if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house, your car.
The sand is everything else. The small stuff. "If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued "there is no room for the pebbles or the rocks. The same goes for your life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will never have room for the things that are important to you.
Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your partner out dancing. There will always be time to go to work, clean the house, give a dinner party and fix the disposal.
"Take care of the rocks first -- the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand."
One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the beer represented.
The professor smiled. "I'm glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there's always room for a couple of beers."
There you have it. But enough of this off-topic talk. I can sense Josh moving nervously on his chair. ;D |
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Post by Josh on Mar 9, 2009 17:47:02 GMT -8
That's funny because I've seen that same object lesson used in Sunday School.
Sans the beer of course.
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