Kill them all and let God sort it out. . .

[krhagan19]

I have come up with a most elegant solution for America to resolve its differences from other countries. We simply exterminate their population and bring in a more tractable neo-colonial society of underlings to serve our purpose. That way we will not be accused of any terrible thing, but will in fact be guilty! This would allow us to sleep better at night knowing that no only are the terrorists gone, but so are their families and descendants. After all, many modern terrorists hate us for what they perceive is the Wests crimes against their ancestors. The simplest solution is to kill all of them, and their children, and their friends, and their dogs and cats, heck we can even shave their Goldfish JUST TO MAKE the point that we do not discriminate in our killing, we are an equal opportunity offender.
(note: if you cannot tell I am joking, your insane)

[robin]

Whats the point in all this?

[krhagan19]

The point is if we are going to murder people to advance our particular philosophy then let us drop the morally superior pretext and dive right into the heart of evil which we have largely done already but polished it with a self rightous skin of advancement. As usual a line from Hamlet comes to mind, Josh tell me if this is correct "It will but skin and film the ulcerous place,
Whilst rank corruption, mining all within, Infects unseen"

[robin]

Nice straw man.

Who among us is advocating the killing, or mudering of people in order to advance our so called "philosophy"?

[Josh]

Good quote, kevin.

But, do you really not see a "middle ground"?

[marcus]

Not that I agree with all the extreme satire, but when Josh advocates finding a middle ground, somewhere in the world a puppy dies.

[Josh]

Every time Marcus speaks, Solomon rolls over in his grave.

Ecclesiastes 7:18

It is good to grasp the one and not let go of the other. The man who fears God will avoid all extremes.

[krhagan19]

"Who among us is advocating the killing, or mudering of people in order to advance our so called "philosophy"?
Well our former leaders whom you seem to have such esteem. We had a philosophy of dictators are bad, but especially dictators who have oil, so lets ignore all of the total Genocide in Africa and invade a still nasty guy, uncle Saddam and conquer their people. Don't worry, our soldiers will be greeted as "Liberators." Thousands of Dead Soldiers later, we STILL don't have the oil, Iraq is doing a little better, but I don't think it is worth the price that either country paid in blood. On the bright side, the less forgiving people of Britain are dragging their leadership from that time through endless inquiries that have little official power. Still it is something, good for them. Meanwhile we will build a multimillion dollar library (ironic) to commemorate the president who was "elected to lead, not read."

[robin]

You made this same ridiculous claim on the "just war" thread. I asked you some rather pointed questions, to which you chose to ignore. I don't feel like repeating myself. I fear it would just be a waste of my time.

[Margot]

"elected to lead, not read"
Is this your personal conclusion or are you quoting someone?

[Margot]

Mar 5, 2010 20:28:27 GMT -8 Josh said:

Every time Marcus speaks, Solomon rolls over in his grave.

Oh, I see! When Solomon rolled over he killed the puppy.

[marcus]

Mar 5, 2010 20:28:27 GMT -8 Josh said:

Every time Marcus speaks, Solomon rolls over in his grave.

Ecclesiastes 7:18

It is good to grasp the one and not let go of the other. The man who fears God will avoid all extremes.

So, Solomon wouldn't have liked Jesus much.

When you fail to realize that war is extreme, you're in trouble...

[Josh]

Well, that's a major difference between you and I I suppose. I don't pit Scripture against Scripture Maybe if you weren't so quick to label contradictions in Scripture you'd find some great paradoxes instead.

[marcus]

I don't think there's a contradiction. I doubt Solomon would have regarded the maintenance of one's convictions, even in the face of a violent world, as the sort of "extreme" he was speaking out against.

[Josh]

The Bible presents a seemingly paradoxical perspective on warfare and the use of force. It's like you want to ignore that in your narrow reading of Jesus' words from the sermon on the mount.

I don't think Solomon would include maintaining a strong conviction as an "extreme" either. But I do think Solomon knew that warfare was not intrinsically morally evil.... and so did Jesus.

[Kirby]

Wait, is marcus reading his bible? Individually?

[Josh]

;D